Shelvey

[General Lee Speaking]

Now now toys back in the pram General. Everyone is entitled to their opinion. I think you need to reread first of all before getting on your high horse. I quite clearly mentioned two different things with regard to Shelvey and refs getting involved.

The first thing I also did was condemn Shelvey - he is a moron. Under today's rules it is a sending off. If you do that and the ref sees it you are going. There was no need to be so petulant and stupid. Why because Ali thru the ball away. The lad is always pulling this ****. It won't stop and it's why he needs replaced. When he is not having an easy time of it like he got last year this is what happens. He is one of those who is probably somewhere between the two divisions in terms of level.

I personally don't think trodding on someone is a red but I can see why they've made the rules that way. I just laugh when I see stamp - I'd happily provide a physical demonstration for anyone who doesn't know the difference. It's not even down to not having played the game - it's more the general warping of reality by the media and people just going with it. There is a massive difference between a stamp and a trod. I've had both done to me.

I stand by what I said about Mariner. Alli and Lascelles basically had a firm tackle and then a little barge and a laugh. Rather than let it run and allow the physical battle to ensue, we have the overbearing ref wanting to get involved pulling them both in for a word, stopping the game. Needless referee involvement. All these stoppages for injuries and getting players off the pitch - needless. Half the time they get up and are sprinting for a ball two minutes later - the game has gone soft and it is spoiling the spectacle. If I wanted to watch the vballet, I'd pay to watch the ballet.

So, er yeah, I think it's you who is talking guff

I apologise. I was very, very........very drunk when I wrote that last night.

 

[Darren Peacock’s Ponytail]

I apologise. I was very, very........very drunk when I wrote that last night.

I laughed at the use of the word 'guff'

 

[Dorty Dogbreath]

I apologise. I was very, very........very drunk when I wrote that last night.

I like reading what both of you have to say, you both post some insightful stuff

 

[Warmir Pouchov]

I apologise. I was very, very........very drunk when I wrote that last night.

It's fine mate. No need to even apologise, I like a bit to and fro. I never take offence on here regardless - let's face it half the time I am on the wind up.

 

[Warmir Pouchov]

I laughed at the use of the word 'guff'

Just makes me think of a rancid fart. One of those silent ones which smells like a sewer. You think "what the **** was in that food I ate"

 

[Warmir Pouchov]

Maybe i'm a new age fan but i prefer a soft game than a violent game. I'm not all for the pansy diving that goes on through a little bit of a contact but it annoys me ust as much when you get people pulling shirts and deliberately fouling people when they have gotten away and it being called 'clever little fouls'

Kanes tackle he went right through the back of the man. He was never going to win the ball and he's now injured leujune for a good while. That is exactly why the foul from behind has been ruled out. I'm all for a physical game but theres being physical and diving in to leave one on someone

As for deliberately treading on Alli, thats not normal (he didn't do it by accident) just like spitting isnt normal or biting someones shoulder isnt normal.

If someone did that in real life or in a sunday match game there'd definitely be a punch up.

Each to their own. Kane did get the ball, he just caught the lad too and was rightly booked. It's one of those where he comes at an angle if you watch - it wasn't straight through the back. It's more the side. Sometimes in contact sport a player will make a tackle and the player being tackled will have his legs in a position at that exact moment which results in a nasty looking tackle. It's not a static situation like some you see and like replays make it look. They were actually on the move at pace. If lejeune was static and just went thru him I'd be the first to say it's not on.

Deliberate minor fouls and pulling shirts is not on the same league of spoiling the game as the current ballerinas I'm having to watch I must say. But that is a personal thing. I just think the latter is causing way more damage to the actual game in terms of stoppages. I used to quite like a bit of shirt pulling etc. Those little battles one on one were great craic and if you ended up sticking one in, the little nod in their direction was sweet. I don't mind the dark arts. We whinge about everything now, it's pretty pathetic. I prefer rugby who still embrace the art of one on one little battles within a game.

I certainly wouldn't advocate trodding on people - I played plenty of football and it happened a lot. People scraping the back of your achillies and trodding on your toes, stepping on your hands, it happened a lot. It's not nice but wouldn't result in a weekly punch up. It probably would now but not then. You'd just take note and make sure you got your own back in your own way. End of the game you'd shake hands and move on. Probably not the guy you'd seek out for a pint but you wouldn't cry about it.

 

[Albert's Chip Shop]

Spurs fan in peace.

Harry Kane isn't a dirty player. However that was a red card challenge.

However, you may remember Shearer and Rooney being free to commit assaults on the pitch without being sent off. It comes with the England captaincy. You get loads of lovely advertising money and refs let you do what you want.

What goes around........

Spot on here.
Shearer got away with the Lennon assault as he was England Captain. Kane cos of who he was also.

 

[Warmir Pouchov]

Spot on here.
Shearer got away with the Lennon assault as he was England Captain. Kane cos of who he was also.

Alan got away with Neil butting his foot?

 

[Albert's Chip Shop]

It's fine mate. No need to even apologise, I like a bit to and fro. I never take offence on here regardless - let's face it half the time I am on the wind up.

Morning ****

 

[Albert's Chip Shop]

Alan got away with Neil butting his foot?

Lennon should have been booked for that, they just let it be in the end....

 

[magpie290761]

I can't agree on Kane. It's a challenge I'd want my players to make. He got it wrong and fouled. Got booked. I don't think there would have been such a hullabaloo about it had we not Shelvey acting like twat and getting red.[/QUOTE
Like a lot of things in the game it comes down to opinions and I think it was a red but you win some and lose some. Still remember Willo getting a red for an innocuous obstruction v Arsenal a couple of years back. Never easy for refs though having to make the decision on the spot against everyone at home with multi replays. Shelvey did make it easy though

 

[Warmir Pouchov]

Yeah the TV makes it so much tougher. Rugby has similar scrutiny but as they have maintained the "you must respect the refs decision" and utilised video footage, it's a lot smoother. Errors are accepted by players and fans alike. Football unfortunately didn't do anything to arrest an alarmingly drop in player behaviour and we now have today's game. They've tried now with the respect campaign etc but it just feels like the horse has already bolted. They are trying to sort it at junior levels but it's tough because if they see Paul Pogba getting in a refs face or Ronaldo pushing a ref, they think "well it's ok for him and he's my idol"

 

[Sheikh_of_Araby]

Sort the whiney little twats out for dissent. Ten game bans and fine them a few hundred thousand. Would soon put a stop to it.

Divers - 20 match ban and £1 million fine.

 

[Darren Peacock’s Ponytail]

Sort the whiney little twats out for dissent. Ten game bans and fine them a few hundred thousand. Would soon put a stop to it.

Divers - 20 match ban and £1 million fine.

Although this may work - what then with bad tackles?

Also what would Shelvey get? Season ban?

Shelvey no longer has my support - wonder if Rafa has considered Haidara for the CM position?!

 

[Freddd]

Sort the whiney little twats out for dissent. Ten game bans and fine them a few hundred thousand. Would soon put a stop to it.

Divers - 20 match ban and £1 million fine.

Don't think it would take much to sort out the respecting the ref thing. Tell any player other than the one being spoken to "You are not part of this conversation". If he continues, yellow card him. If he still continues, give him a second yellow.

As for the player you the ref is speaking to, make it a policy that addressing the referee as anything but "Sir" (or, where appropriate, "Ma'am") will be considered unsportsmanlike conduct. Once players get used to the idea that it is the referee who decides who gets to speak and when, the rest will follow.

 

[Joelinton's Right Foot]

Don't think it would take much to sort out the respecting the ref thing. Tell any player other than the one being spoken to "You are not part of this conversation". If he continues, yellow card him. If he still continues, give him a second yellow.

As for the player you the ref is speaking to, make it a policy that addressing the referee as anything but "Sir" (or, where appropriate, "Ma'am") will be considered unsportsmanlike conduct. Once players get used to the idea that it is the referee who decides who gets to speak and when, the rest will follow.

Something like this is exactly the right thing to do. It wouldn't take that long to sort out if it was properly implemented with yellows and reds without exception. It will never happen though. The authorities care more about the product they sell than the long term good of the game. In the short term this would ruin the game as a spectacle as I think most footballers are so thick it wouldn't sink in straight away. It wouldn't just be games of 8 v 8 - it would be abandoned games when too many players have been sent off. It's what is needed though, along with the teams being deducted points if they cause an abandonment. The problem is, how would we feel 20 minutes into a game at St James' when the ref took the players off for an abandoned game?

 

[Warmir Pouchov]

Something like this is exactly the right thing to do. It wouldn't take that long to sort out if it was properly implemented with yellows and reds without exception. It will never happen though. The authorities care more about the product they sell than the long term good of the game. In the short term this would ruin the game as a spectacle as I think most footballers are so thick it wouldn't sink in straight away. It wouldn't just be games of 8 v 8 - it would be abandoned games when too many players have been sent off. It's what is needed though, along with the teams being deducted points if they cause an abandonment. The problem is, how would we feel 20 minutes into a game at St James' when the ref took the players off for an abandoned game?

Indeed it's a nice thought. Sadly as you correctly note, it would be commercial suicide. People shouldn't give these overpaid ****ers too much credit. They are in the main so far up their own arse, they'd just think the refs were wrong or do it in the belief refs wouldn't dare to punish them - do they not know who they are? It would wreak havoc and the fans are so stupid they'd turn on the refs. The PL would never allow it anyway (the FA would have no say in reality). Scudamore and co would just veto any such plan. Hence we have this pathetic respect campaign to say "hey look we are trying"

 

[Joelinton's Right Foot]

Indeed it's a nice thought. Sadly as you correctly note, it would be commercial suicide. People shouldn't give these overpaid ****ers too much credit. They are in the main so far up their own arse, they'd just think the refs were wrong or do it in the belief refs wouldn't dare to punish them - do they not know who they are? It would wreak havoc and the fans are so stupid they'd turn on the refs. The PL would never allow it anyway (the FA would have no say in reality). Scudamore and co would just veto any such plan. Hence we have this pathetic respect campaign to say "hey look we are trying"

I do think it would take education on both sides though. When you compare refs in rugby to football, the refs in rugby seem far better at handling players and showing a bit of intelligence. I think that is one of the reasons the rugby players take it on the chin when mistakes are made. It is only some of them, but certain refs in football do seem to like being the centre of attention.

 

[Magnet]

Something like this is exactly the right thing to do. It wouldn't take that long to sort out if it was properly implemented with yellows and reds without exception. It will never happen though. The authorities care more about the product they sell than the long term good of the game. In the short term this would ruin the game as a spectacle as I think most footballers are so thick it wouldn't sink in straight away. It wouldn't just be games of 8 v 8 - it would be abandoned games when too many players have been sent off. It's what is needed though, along with the teams being deducted points if they cause an abandonment. The problem is, how would we feel 20 minutes into a game at St James' when the ref took the players off for an abandoned game?

Indeed it's a nice thought. Sadly as you correctly note, it would be commercial suicide. People shouldn't give these overpaid ****ers too much credit. They are in the main so far up their own arse, they'd just think the refs were wrong or do it in the belief refs wouldn't dare to punish them - do they not know who they are? It would wreak havoc and the fans are so stupid they'd turn on the refs. The PL would never allow it anyway (the FA would have no say in reality). Scudamore and co would just veto any such plan. Hence we have this pathetic respect campaign to say "hey look we are trying"

Keith Stroud.

 

[Magnet]

Something like this is exactly the right thing to do. It wouldn't take that long to sort out if it was properly implemented with yellows and reds without exception. It will never happen though. The authorities care more about the product they sell than the long term good of the game. In the short term this would ruin the game as a spectacle as I think most footballers are so thick it wouldn't sink in straight away. It wouldn't just be games of 8 v 8 - it would be abandoned games when too many players have been sent off. It's what is needed though, along with the teams being deducted points if they cause an abandonment. The problem is, how would we feel 20 minutes into a game at St James' when the ref took the players off for an abandoned game?

Indeed it's a nice thought. Sadly as you correctly note, it would be commercial suicide. People shouldn't give these overpaid ****ers too much credit. They are in the main so far up their own arse, they'd just think the refs were wrong or do it in the belief refs wouldn't dare to punish them - do they not know who they are? It would wreak havoc and the fans are so stupid they'd turn on the refs. The PL would never allow it anyway (the FA would have no say in reality). Scudamore and co would just veto any such plan. Hence we have this pathetic respect campaign to say "hey look we are trying"

Stephen Martin