Serious takeover talk

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HeatonMackem said:
Are these cash inflows and outflows? Or historic sales and expenses? Or ongoing annual sales and expenses? Each one makes a huge difference.

Have you included the £10m NDong shaped hole in ES's cashflow forecast that needed plugging?
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Yes.

Charlie helpfully did it for me. It's at 1:25:30

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Instead of questioning me, question Charlie.
 
Ozzymac said:
As you've stated, they've done nothing illegal so if that's the case they have no requirement to justify it to you, me nor any other bugger out there.

It does come across as if you have a vendetta against the owners with how often you bring these things up.

Probably time to give it a rest mate.
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I mean why do all these people keep going on like this? It's like they've uncovered some massive conspiracy to defraud Sunderland. Erm you haven't. Who cares if Donald ends up making a **** load of cash if he sells after a year? I certainly don't. Look at the alternatives when he came on board. Carry on with Short and Bain losing fortunes on potted plants or sell to another consortium who would carry the debts over.
 
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Kittenmittons said:
That's why I said £32m costs?

The £20m left a £12m shortfall. £9m was covered by the parachute money
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So what’s the make up of the £32 million costs?

The playing staff wage bill was reduced to £11 million half way through the season, so we have to add partially to that for Maja, N’Dong and Djiliboji.

We paid off Rodwell on top, then there’s club staff, stadium costs, academy costs, £3 million on players in summer and £4million or so on Grigg in January.

We are already absolutely safe to say costs were way over the £20million quoted.

There was a £10 million bomb called N’Dong. Then another £9 million one called Alvarez.

There’s policing costs and matchday stewarding, there’s concession tickets and hospitality, there’s travel costs for the multiple club squads to away games, accommodation where required.

Agent fees, consultancy fees.

The figures are miles of speculatively. And none of us have seen or had access to them factually.

What’s clear as day is that nobody has taken £15 million out of the club, as has been suggested.

That absolutely is slanderous, and libellous.
 
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Nads said:
So what’s the make up of the £32 million costs?

The playing staff wage bill was reduced to £11 million half way through the season, so we have to add partially to that for Maja, N’Dong and Djiliboji.

We paid off Roswell on top, then there’s club staff, stadium costs, academy costs, £3 million on players in summer and £4million or so on Grigg in January.

We are already absolutely safe to say costs were way over the £20million quoted.

There was a £10 million bomb called N’Dong. Then another £9 million one called Alvarez.

There’s policing costs and matchday stewarding, there’s concession tickets and hospitality, there’s travel costs for the multiple club squads to away games, accommodation where required.

Agent fees, consultancy fees.

The figures are miles of speculatively. And none of us have seen or had access to them factually.

What’s clear as day is that nobody has taken £15 million out of the club, as has been suggested.

That absolutely is slanderous, and libellous.
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And as a famous philosopher once said he needs to "let it go"
 
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Kittenmittons said:
Whoah... where have I said this?
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I didn’t say you said it, but it was in the statement you shared that the mods quite rightly removed from the site.

It said £15million had gone to ‘Donald’s personal wealth’.

As has been mentioned, you may not have said it, but believe me you can legally be hot for recycling that kind of talk.
 
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Nads said:
So what’s the make up of the £32 million costs?

The playing staff wage bill was reduced to £11 million half way through the season, so we have to add partially to that for Maja, N’Dong and Djiliboji.

We paid off Rodwell on top, then there’s club staff, stadium costs, academy costs, £3 million on players in summer and £4million or so on Grigg in January.

We are already absolutely safe to say costs were way over the £20million quoted.

There was a £10 million bomb called N’Dong. Then another £9 million one called Alvarez.

There’s policing costs and matchday stewarding, there’s concession tickets and hospitality, there’s travel costs for the multiple club squads to away games, accommodation where required.

Agent fees, consultancy fees.

The figures are miles of speculatively. And none of us have seen or had access to them factually.

What’s clear as day is that nobody has taken £15 million out of the club, as has been suggested.

That absolutely is slanderous, and libellous.
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How much of their own money have Donald, Methven and Sartori put in? No rhetoric - just figures. Cheers.
 
BumbleBee said:
How much of their own money have Donald, Methven and Sartori put in? No rhetoric - just figures. Cheers.
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That’s not the point here, we all know there was very little initially.

Who’s money paid the wage bill and costs?You suggesting that wasn’t the owners? Or are you saying it was the other money that they’ve allegedly moved out of the club?
 
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Kittenmittons said:
Yes.

Charlie helpfully did it for me. It's at 1:25:30

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Instead of questioning me, question Charlie.
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Right, so he's taking about running income and costs. That's current ongoing sales and costs. Not cash in and out over the last 12 months. If you're looking for missing cash you need the latter. Are you Chris the accountant he refers to by any chance?!
 
Roppa said:
Don’t wriggle kitten, you may not have said it directly but you’ve certainly intimated wrongdoing. I haven’t a clue why you’ve got this vendetta but it’s disturbing.
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No, here's a quick lesson in libel though, I didn't share anything from facebook, in fact I asked what it was and was called a mag :D

I have expressly said there was no 'wrongdoing', what part of this are you not understanding? I simply feel the club should be run differently.
 
Nads said:
That’s not the point here, we all know there was very little initially.

Who’s money paid the wage bill and costs?You suggesting that wasn’t the owners? Or are you saying it was the other money that they’ve allegedly moved out of the club?
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Good answer to a completely different question. Read it again - if you reply just numbers please. Thank you.
 
Kittenmittons said:
No, here's a quick lesson in libel though, I didn't share anything from facebook, in fact I asked what it was and was called a mag :D

I have expressly said there was no 'wrongdoing', what part of this are you not understanding? I simply feel the club should be run differently.
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Then buy it. I believe the current owners may be interested in selling.
 
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HeatonMackem said:
Right, so he's taking about running income and costs. That's current ongoing sales and costs. Not cash in and out over the last 12 months. If you're looking for missing cash you need the latter. Are you Chris the accountant he refers to by any chance?!
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I can time-stamp that too if you like?

I mean here's £9.6m sent from SAFC to someone via Madrox, classed as a loan from SAFC to Madrox in their accounts,a s well as other liabilities of £27m

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