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saintkitch said:
Just to be clear, all i'm saying is Shane and Yoshi are examples of players that imo are at the highest level they could be and in Yoshi's case maybe he is above where he should be. Which is why these players spend a large period of their careers at the same club. (not entirely through loyalty just that there will not be a better offer)
We also have players that use us as a stepping stone and move on, which i have no problem with as long as its done the right way.
Then we have players like JWP, and Bertrand who could play at a level above but seem happy enough to ply their trade at Saints.
Every club in the world will be the same.
My point with Shane and Yoshi was only suggesting that some fans will give average players legend status when maybe it's not really deserved. For me Bertrand is more a club legend than either of them as he has stayed when he could go and play for a better team.
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I think this explains your point more clearly. It takes all sorts to make a team, I'm happy we don't have a team of galacticos, though one or two would be fine :emoticon-0105-wink:
This isn't to say I want us to have worse players, but seeing Shane getting to where he is through sheer force of character and hard work is kind of inspiring ... as long as there's others around him banging in the goals

I'm with you on players staying and leaving. Loyalty, inability, lack of opportunity? Ego, genius, Job progression? There are all sorts of reasons players, leave and stay, we should only expect them to do their best when they're with us and treat us with respect if they leave

I think we sometimes share 'legends' and sometimes don't as they represent something that we admire and we sometimes admire different stuff
MLT is widely shared because of his ability and the fact he stayed and is still here
I think Yoshi, Shane, Steve Davis, Kelvin Davis are 'legends' to some of us for different reasons not completely related to football genius, but more related to character and I think it's also important to note that these guys provide great role models behind the scenes to the team, club and youth players

Oh, and on the matter of Football Genius, is this man a legend or not?

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Susan said:
Shall we just remind ourselves of some of the other attacking players we've signed...

Dani Osvaldo. £13m. 13 games, 3 goals. Punched the team captain, disruptive, wants to be Jack Sparrow.

Manolo Gabbiadini. £15m. 60 games, 12 goals. Had his moments, but generally wanted it on a plate. A bit trampy.

Mohammed Elyounoussi. £16m. 19 games, 0 goals. Not even a footballer.

Juanmi. £5m. 19 games, 0 goals. Can't remember a single thing that he did.
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These made I larf

I remember the feeling of optimism every time Juanmi came on from the bench ...

... and then ...

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... No, I've got nothing
 
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saintkitch said:
You could be right, Just amuses me how fans put Yoshi up as something special but don'y treat Ryan the same, in fact some even slate him.
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Ryan deserved getting slated because he lost his way at one point. It was possibly to do with a move that didn't materialise but whatever it was he looked as if he couldn't be bothered. Thankfully, he now seems to be back on track.
I also know that at one time when he was captain, he was criticising the club to the apprentices. Hardly the act of a club legend.
 
shoot_spiderman said:
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These made I larf

I remember the feeling of optimism every time Juanmi came on from the bench ...

... and then ...

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... No, I've got nothing
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Did he really make 19 appearances? If it was a quiz, I would have said 4, just to give him the benefit of the doubt.

Also, a bit rough on Che I feel. Some of those appearances have been 5 minutes at the end and he's looked prominsing on occasion
 
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The amended 25-man squad following the January window:

Che Adams*
Stuart Armstrong
Marcus Thomas Barnes*
Jan Bednarek
Ryan Bertrand*
Sofiane Boufal
Angus Fraser James Gunn*
Pierre Emile Kordt Hojbjerg
Daniel William John Ings*
Alfie Charles Jones*
Harry Charles John Lewis*
Shane Patrick Long*
Alex Simon McCarthy*
Samuel James McQueen*
Nathan Daniel Jerome Redmond*
Jack Joseph Rose*
Jack Stephens*
Jannik Vestergaard
Oriol Romeu Vidal
Kyle Walker-Peters*
James Michael Edward Ward-Prowse*

*”Homegrown” players

In addition, the U21 players available for first team selection also have to be registered:
David Osaretim Agbontohoma
Samuel James Bailey
Samuel Lawrence Alexander Bellis
Sean Anthony Brennan
Ethan Darren Burnett
Jack Thomas Bycroft
Kgaogelo Chauke
Ryan Cluett
Alexander Cull
Kevin Danso
Teddy Jay Davey
Lucas Nsiona K Defise
Moussa Djenepo
William Ferry
Rio Kamil Glean
Harlem Hale
Matthew Gary Hall
Kornelius Normann Hansen
Roland Idowu
Alexandre Tounde Dimitri Jankewitz
Tyreke Martin Johnson
Seamas Keogh
Christoph Klarer
Simon Kozak
Pascal Kpohomouh
Kingsley Finn Latham
Kameron Malcolm Ledwidge
Jacob Maddox
Ramello Dejorn Mitchell
James William Morris
Dan Nlundulu
Christian Anthony Norton
Thomas James O’Connor
Aaron O’Driscoll
Michael Oluwadurotimi Obafemi
Kazeem Aderemi J. Olaigbe
Oludare Samuel Araba Olufunwa
Zuriel Jonathan Otseh-Taiwo
Kayne Ramsay
Enzo Robise
Marco Rus
Michael Saunders
Tommy John Scott
Callum Slattery
Benjamin Smales Braithwaite
William Anthony Patrick Smallbone
Jayden Pharell Llamar Mills Smith
Wandja Allan Tchaptchet
Nathan Tella
William James Tizzard
Jack Henry Turner
Yan Valery
Jake Vokins
Caleb Cassius Watts
Callum Neil Watts
Oliver Lennon George Wright
 
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Charlie Austin being a twat on Twitter.

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If Ings scores just 1 more, he'll have as many PL goals this season as Austin managed in over 3 seasons.In his comeback, Ings has demonstrated the kind of extreme dedication that might have saved Austin's career from completely nose diving ......I think Charlie is very bitter.....shame as he is a pretty decent fella until he has a drink or 10 too many.
 
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