Saints expelled from Play Offs by EFL

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A total ban would feel excessive to me, yet again. From listening and reading, I think the 'oh that's okay' outcome would be a suspended ban and a big fine and the 'urgh, let's get on with it' would be a three-game touchline ban for the three games included in the EFL hearing

Actually a touchline band for the away game at Boro would probably annoy their fans, as they won’t be able to have a pop at him, so I’m all for that.
 
Not sure I'll be taking much moral guidance from this guy either...seems like a terrible 'bully'.

“That was the pleasantries done with. When PD Ports’ property director, Michael McConnell, shook his head at an allegation that earlier in the dispute PD Ports had, conversely, tried to ransom STDC over a piece of land necessary for the latter’s plans, Gibson addressed him directly: ‘You shaking your head, you’ll be f**king shaking it again soon, I’ll be f**king shaking it.’

In response to McConnell saying that PD Ports had not sought a ransom, Gibson called him a ‘lying bastard’.

Taking a rare opportunity to get a word in, PD Ports’ Dutch chief executive Frans Calje asked Gibson if all this was ‘really just about penny, pound notes and shillings’, to which Gibson agreed: ‘Absolutely, completely.’

He then accused PD Ports of going ‘around Teesside telling lies’. But when challenged by Hopkinson as to what these lies were, Gibson declined to answer and went full Goodfellas instead: ‘You are going to get a fight like you have never f**king experienced.’ Gibson threatened, ‘and I want your walls and I want your eyes out of your head; I want the f**king roof off your house; I want your kids out of private school; I want no shoes on your f**king feet"
 
Why is their business any more? They always got us overly punished to their favour and then embarrassed themselves anyway. Why would they want to keep drawing attention to it? If they kept on wouldn’t that be them calling the decision of the panel into question? And them saying it was too lenient. And if you open that can of worms then people can start asking about it the other way

I gather people involved in football think it was too harsh on us. And I’m not talking about rival fans and journalists/content creators who need clicks
Or maybe Boro has something to hide
 
Being ignorant, I know, but how does the FA review what has happened? Do they interview Tonda/Dragan/Will? Just use info from the EFL report?
 
Being ignorant, I know, but how does the FA review what has happened? Do they interview Tonda/Dragan/Will? Just use info from the EFL report?
Jumping on this, but how long will the FA review take? Is there a time limit or can they wait until the day before the the first game of the season before deciding? Because that doesn't seem fair, either.
 
Jumping on this, but how long will the FA review take? Is there a time limit or can they wait until the day before the the first game of the season before deciding? Because that doesn't seem fair, either.
Alfie House admitted he doesn’t know but suggested that Saints seem to think it’ll be another couple of weeks yet, but think it could get resolved before July
 
I agree .
I don’t agree. We needed to control the narrative and set out what we will and won’t accept.

However antagonised the FA may or may not be form this, they now know that our position is in the public domain, that we have already been harshly treated and they can expect a massive backlash from Saints if they add to the punishment significantly.

Action against Tonda is now clearly further action against the club. That was previously unclear.
 
Not sure I'll be taking much moral guidance from this guy either...seems like a terrible 'bully'.

“That was the pleasantries done with. When PD Ports’ property director, Michael McConnell, shook his head at an allegation that earlier in the dispute PD Ports had, conversely, tried to ransom STDC over a piece of land necessary for the latter’s plans, Gibson addressed him directly: ‘You shaking your head, you’ll be f**king shaking it again soon, I’ll be f**king shaking it.’

In response to McConnell saying that PD Ports had not sought a ransom, Gibson called him a ‘lying bastard’.

Taking a rare opportunity to get a word in, PD Ports’ Dutch chief executive Frans Calje asked Gibson if all this was ‘really just about penny, pound notes and shillings’, to which Gibson agreed: ‘Absolutely, completely.’

He then accused PD Ports of going ‘around Teesside telling lies’. But when challenged by Hopkinson as to what these lies were, Gibson declined to answer and went full Goodfellas instead: ‘You are going to get a fight like you have never f**king experienced.’ Gibson threatened, ‘and I want your walls and I want your eyes out of your head; I want the f**king roof off your house; I want your kids out of private school; I want no shoes on your f**king feet"
Telling a 27 year old intern to do something he didn't want to do? Worst case of work place bullying ever.

Physically threatening someone and their family? Different init? Salt of the earth, local lad done well* is Gibbo. What a lovely bloke. Bleeds Boro, just cares about fairness and honesty.


*Just like every pull yourself up by the boot straps millionaire he started his company with, you guessed it, a loan from Daddy.
 
I don’t agree. We needed to control the narrative and set out what we will and won’t accept.

However antagonised the FA may or may not be form this, they now know that our position is in the public domain, that we have already been harshly treated and they can expect a massive backlash from Saints if they add to the punishment significantly.

Action against Tonda is now clearly further action against the club. That was previously unclear.

It depends on a few things:

1. They might not feel we’ve been harshly treated, they might feel that we’ve been justly treated

2. They might use the Olympic precedent where the coaches got banned as their rationale for imposing bans

3. Their investigation may uncover more evidence of spying in other games. Dragan says in his statement that it’s only 3 games, it wasn’t a universal thing (or words to that affect). If it turns out there is evidence we’ve done it for 5/10 games then banning Tonda might become the only option, plus further points deduction from the EFL with the precedent they set from the -4

I think publicly backing him like this was moronic and typical of how they’ve handled this whole thing. It’s just reopened the media hate campaign when it didn’t need to be right now. They could’ve easily waited (if DTLW timeframe of “before July” is accurate) until the FA had done their investigation, then if he wasn’t banned back him and take the backlash then with the justification that the FA didn’t think the offence was worthy of a ban, if he does get banned then sack and move on.

The more I think about it the only reason I can see why they’ve made the announcement now is to appease the fanbase before season ticket announcement. Then when Tonda gets banned then can say “well we said we would’ve backed him but we can’t now”
 
If, god forbid, The FA want to swing the already-bloodied sword of justice at us and ban Tonda, was thinking we could hire this promising young Spanish coach Toni Bacardi on the interim.
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Could be our new "spy", he's already wearing a disguise kit...

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Jumping on this, but how long will the FA review take? Is there a time limit or can they wait until the day before the the first game of the season before deciding? Because that doesn't seem fair, either.
We are Saints. As of the last two weeks, treating us fairly is the last thing on the authorities minds.
We could be surprised though……… ????????