Saints expelled from Play Offs by EFL

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I think the club has made the anouncement too soon. They shpukd have waited until the FA had concluded their investigation.

Not sure that Solak has struck the right tone. There is alot of anger amongst fans of other clubs. Just wonder how Solak's statement will resonate with the FA. I think they will now take a harsher view.
 
I think the club has made the anouncement too soon. They shpukd have waited until the FA had concluded their investigation.

Not sure that Solak has struck the right tone. There is alot of anger amongst fans of other clubs. Just wonder how Solak's statement will resonate with the FA. I think they will now take a harsher view.
I disagree. The narrative was shaped by Boro and the media before. We need to take back control and shape our narrative.
 
I think the club has made the anouncement too soon. They shpukd have waited until the FA had concluded their investigation.

Not sure that Solak has struck the right tone. There is alot of anger amongst fans of other clubs. Just wonder how Solak's statement will resonate with the FA. I think they will now take a harsher view.

I'm not sure what other clubs fans anger has to do with anything?

Boro briefed the national media in the weeks leading up to the independent panel, whilst Saints sat quietly. This is the first time we're hearing from important figures in the club that's not just a scheduled social media post. The EFL were harsh to Saints regardless, so I'm not sure releasing/doing a couple of interviews will change the FA's mind either way (if they are going the harshest route possible regardless).
 
Another eventful day

I still don't see what we done was the football crime of the century even though the punishment suggested it was.

I loved what Tonda achieved, then I hated his involvement in all this. If he doesn't get banned and we were not spying in the majority of games, so that his analysis and tactics were all genuinely brilliant then I will support him and not cut off my nose etc.

I don't know what our club will look like next season and I don't know if SR can rebuild us to be a force to be reckoned with, on and off the pitch

But, if anything comes from this, I hope we grow and keep a hardened togetherness, saints v the world and stick two fingers up to all the righteous establishments, media, organisations and morally perfect fans we come in contact with.

All with integrity of course

COYR
 
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Gibbo trying to get the final word in, clearly.
Why is their business any more? They always got us overly punished to their favour and then embarrassed themselves anyway. Why would they want to keep drawing attention to it? If they kept on wouldn’t that be them calling the decision of the panel into question? And them saying it was too lenient. And if you open that can of worms then people can start asking about it the other way

I gather people involved in football think it was too harsh on us. And I’m not talking about rival fans and journalists/content creators who need clicks
 
I think the club has made the anouncement too soon. They shpukd have waited until the FA had concluded their investigation.

Not sure that Solak has struck the right tone. There is alot of anger amongst fans of other clubs. Just wonder how Solak's statement will resonate with the FA. I think they will now take a harsher view.
In the hierarchy of people/groups whose opinions matter the “fans of other clubs” are right at the f’n bottom. Possibly even underground / underwater depending on what analogy you want to use. Utterly irrelevant. What exactly are they going to do? What leverage do they have?

Fans in general don’t matter otherwise this whole circus would never have happened. They wouldn’t have been allowed to travel to and buy tickets for a semi final what was just going to be voided. They wouldn’t have been able to buy tickets for the final. Hull fans wouldn’t have been kept hanging. The option of potentially moving the final would never have been mentioned. Etc
 
In the hierarchy of people/groups whose opinions matter the “fans of other clubs” are right at the f’n bottom. Possibly even underground / underwater depending on what analogy you want to use. Utterly irrelevant. What exactly are they going to do? What leverage do they have?

Fans in general don’t matter otherwise this whole circus would never have happened. They wouldn’t have been allowed to travel to and buy tickets for a semi final what was just going to be voided. They wouldn’t have been able to buy tickets for the final. Hull fans wouldn’t have been kept hanging. The option of potentially moving the final would never have been mentioned. Etc
Greg

I totally agree with this. It does leave a sour taste in the throat.

I can see the point of view that there were only three infringements and that these would have not be relevant had they been better timed. Those arguing that we have been too heavily punished have a point albeit I believe yesterday's statement really sent out the wrong message. I would have expected the club either to say nothing or publish a statement when the FA enquiry as published it's conclusions (bit appreciate that this could take some time.)

I think it is good that the club backed it's employees when they are innocent yet this is demonstrably not the case in this instance. If you want to put things bluntly, we cheated in a situation that any benefit would have put us in a money-earning appearance at Wembley where the possibility of success would have increased our income by circa £200 million. I get that this is all about chance and how things work out on the pitch and that success was not guaranteed. Given the sums of money at stake, I do feel it was a serious matter with Boro' (probably not so with Ipswich and certainly not with Oxford) and the penalty does, in my opinion, seem appropriate. The position post-appeal by the club should have been one of contrition yet the message being put out was that it was a genuine error for which Tonda has apologised and which the staff appear to have been exonerated with the exception of the intern who should have reported his concerns earlier !

I am a little surprised that more people on here are not incensed by Solak's statement. It is not at all appropriate and strongly suggests that there is no regret. It is a case of carry on as usual - other than not spying on other teams again. This statement shows that we are not taking the matter seriously. I would have thought that the tone would have been totally different. It does not suggest that we have learned our lesson and maybe is demonstrative that the morals of our owners are out of sync with how most people in the game regard cheating. In my view, the statement has made things worse and just underscores that the club culture is unacceptable for a significant proportion of fans.

Everyone and his wife has an opinion on the penalty and what is fair or unfair. Yesterday's statement was suggestive that the football club does not understand why so many fans are angry. The issue of ticket sales for both semis and finals is just one element where the club does not comprehend that mealy words given in press statements is not solving the problems for the FA and, more importantly, the supporters.
 
Greg

I totally agree with this. It does leave a sour taste in the throat.

I can see the point of view that there were only three infringements and that these would have not be relevant had they been better timed. Those arguing that we have been too heavily punished have a point albeit I believe yesterday's statement really sent out the wrong message. I would have expected the club either to say nothing or publish a statement when the FA enquiry as published it's conclusions (bit appreciate that this could take some time.)

I think it is good that the club backed it's employees when they are innocent yet this is demonstrably not the case in this instance. If you want to put things bluntly, we cheated in a situation that any benefit would have put us in a money-earning appearance at Wembley where the possibility of success would have increased our income by circa £200 million. I get that this is all about chance and how things work out on the pitch and that success was not guaranteed. Given the sums of money at stake, I do feel it was a serious matter with Boro' (probably not so with Ipswich and certainly not with Oxford) and the penalty does, in my opinion, seem appropriate. The position post-appeal by the club should have been one of contrition yet the message being put out was that it was a genuine error for which Tonda has apologised and which the staff appear to have been exonerated with the exception of the intern who should have reported his concerns earlier !

I am a little surprised that more people on here are not incensed by Solak's statement. It is not at all appropriate and strongly suggests that there is no regret. It is a case of carry on as usual - other than not spying on other teams again. This statement shows that we are not taking the matter seriously. I would have thought that the tone would have been totally different. It does not suggest that we have learned our lesson and maybe is demonstrative that the morals of our owners are out of sync with how most people in the game regard cheating. In my view, the statement has made things worse and just underscores that the club culture is unacceptable for a significant proportion of fans.

Everyone and his wife has an opinion on the penalty and what is fair or unfair. Yesterday's statement was suggestive that the football club does not understand why so many fans are angry. The issue of ticket sales for both semis and finals is just one element where the club does not comprehend that mealy words given in press statements is not solving the problems for the FA and, more importantly, the supporters.

Ian, you're zeroing in on the one part where he says that the punishment was excessive (something widely agreed upon by people in the game). He shows plenty of contrition and a willingness to internally make adjustments to make sure processes are in place that will mitigate these things in the future. So no, I'm not incensed at all, and I don't agree that it "strongly suggests that there is no regret" - quite the opposite.

Appreciate it's different, but there's been an awful lot of concern about the mental wellbeing and future of the 27 year old intern (that people keep insisting is some kind of child) but no concern at all for the mental wellbeing of a 33 year old man (which isn't an awful lot older), who I would probably suggest is somewhere fairly far along the autism spectrum, who has been absolutely castigated, called a cheat and a lot worse, been hounded by the press, had his hands caught in the cookie jar and could very well be banned from his job. Yes, I know there's a massive difference in pay etc etc, but there's lots of double standards at play here too, and I'm very happy that actually we're supporting him as well.
 
I don`t get why Tonda`s and Solak`s announcements are perceived as being negative - quite the opposite, and long overdue IMO. If the FA are as susceptible to noise as the EFL were with Boro, then we should be doing all we can to present our case in a logical manner before they make any final decision. We should be making our position clear that our punishment (and that includes Tonda`s punishment) is already way over the top. A suspended sentence seems like a fair compromise to me, but that`s wishful thinking on my part.