You think that is justified as a means to an end? I don't. I think it is unsporting to coin a phrase.
Saints expelled from Play Offs by EFL
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You said the point deduction wasn't given for breach of 127 but the judgement literally states that the logic for deciding the 3 point is that it makes breaching 127 not worthwhile - you'll lose the same as what you can gain.
It's good that we can debate the rights and wrongs, but isn't making me feel better about it, it feels wrong and its futile to protest.
Not what I meant, just that the Rule 3.4 is used as an extension to decide the punishment as 127 has no proscribed sentence to use.
So we're back to my previous question, you don't think sporting sanctions are ever justified because it impacts the fans?
I'm saying it's the reality of the situation. I do think sporting sanctions are a more effective deterrent than financial ones, whether I agree with this particular case or not.
I think the problem lies in this being the first time the rule was breached so it was all completely up in the air. There being no listed punishment as you mentioned earlier just compounds that problem.
You are putting words in to my mouth, that I haven't said. I repeat, the punishment must fit the crime and must punish the guilty, not harming people who haven't been responsible, guilty by association isn't the way to go. Are you saying fines don't do that?
I said that any sporting sanction impacts the fans who weren't responsible and you said you didn't feel that was justified? Seemed pretty clear to me.
I'm saying fines don't act as an effective deterrent if the football club can easily afford it, so in that sense sporting sanctions act as a better one, whether I agree with this particular case or not.
For example you can be pretty certain that nobody will risk breaching this rule in the play offs next season!
They will find plenty of other ways to get around the current Rules and I bet no one bats an eyelid, it will be cheating, but not as we know it.
It won't happen the same next time. A team will have different aspects to their case, alongside having a more influential owner, and the court of public opinion will have reflected over time on this being way too harsh, and the EFL will be more forgiving. The ruling will continue to be undefined, allowing the EFL to use whatever measures it wants to, on a case by case basis.
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Having had a week to pause and reflect and yes calm down a bit these are my measured thoughts below.
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Do we have to request a refund?!!Ooh - what do I win?
Yeah it was just saying that the refund request from SFC was successful and it would land in about 4-5 days. It was worded as if I had applied for a refund which of course I hadn't. I'll let you know what happens.
No the club are issuing them automatically. The wording from my bank read that way though.
EDIT: Have just checked and mine has come through this morning.
Is this a ploy by Arsenal to get PSG chucked out?
Parsons apparently on leave this week.
Call me a **** but that should have been cancelled.
Call me a **** but that should have been cancelled.
I doubt he’s the only one. Last week and this week the logical time for the non playing staff to book holidays. They need to come back earlier than the players do to sort the squad out for next season. I imagine most of them booked holidays weeks/months ago
Might be why we haven’t heard anything as well. I’d expect Tonda and Spors are on holiday as well