RTG

[Smug in Boots]

Hello Kittenmittons,

I'm admin for the site and your posts have been brought to my attention.

I don't pretend to understand any of this stuff, simply because I'm not a Sunderland supporter, so I wouldn't be expected too. I think there is concern of anything that may lead to potentially libellous statements.

Having first hand experience of supporters not being protected behind their keyboards, when it comes to that phrase I've used, I ask, are you able to support any of your claims, with links, to any said statements or to accounts that support any financial claims, Ie via companies house?

Anyway, i've done my bit now, so don't really care if you get your arsed sued off or not, whatever the case maybe

Enjoy

Post of the week for me

"Anyway, i've done my bit now, so don't really care if you get your arsed sued off or not, whatever the case maybe "

 

[Roppa]

I'm not accusing them of fraud. They're acting entirely legally. I just disagree that when the club's money leaves via the owner's personal company, we then have no right to know where that money ends up. Particularly when they then indicate they have no intention of paying money back to the club that they have loaned in the foreseeable future.

We could go on ad infenitum here, I understand and see where you’re coming from, our difference is that I don’t believe we have the right to know where the money is or isn’t. We’re not shareholders, we’re customers. Let’s see how everything pans out.

 

[BigPete]

Yeah pretty much. I have said for around 6 months now that this is not right and the money that has gone out is going into a black hole.

Madrox doesn't publish accounts, so that money can go towards any debt that Madrox wishes to service.

This means - just theoretically of course, I'm sure this would never happen... - if Donald had run up a debt, of say, £9.6m to the former owner, he could - again, this is complete fantasy - pay out £9.6m from the club's cash reserves via Madrox and - please, indulge this completely hypothetical situation - then use it to pay off this personal debt.

All we would know is that the club had sent £9.6m to someone via Madrox. It's entirely legal, I just think as it's club money, we should know exactly which debt is being serviced.

Anyway, on a completely unrelated note, here are Madrox's accounts.

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Means nothing to me that like mate glad to have people like you and GOM who can help us with this stuff.

 

[T_Bone]

I haven’t read this thread but can guess what it contains.
Why waste your time slagging off the other forum?
Maybe I was wrong.

 

[wtdog]

I haven’t read this thread but can guess what it contains.
Why waste your time slagging off the other forum?

Cos its fun mainly. And perhaps some feel badly done to?

 

[Smug in Boots]

I haven’t read this thread but can guess what it contains.
Why waste your time slagging off the other forum?

You could ask them the same mate, endless digs at people and sometimes from Mods.

People have brought grudges of bannings and Trolls from there, myself included.

It'll take a while before people forgive the treatment they've had over there.

 

[Chunksafc]

@Kittenmittons fair enough you have raised a concern that I don't really understand.

Would you be better off, in light of the current pitchfork and torch mentality of some fans, going through a more formal route?

 

[Blond Bombshell]

Cos its fun mainly. And perhaps some feel badly done to?

This.
We all need to chill and relax

 

[janey]

I’ve never been an account, just a Sunderland supporter. I sometimes wish for the days when the Collings owned us. We went to the game, and we came home

 

[BigPete]

@Kittenmittons fair enough you have raised a concern that I don't really understand.

Would you be better off, in light of the current pitchfork and torch mentality of some fans, going through a more formal route?

He's raised some good questions tbh like and backed it up.

Well maybe he has I'm not too sure what those documents meant. @Smug in Boots you asked GOM or would he come on here?

Be good to see his side too seeing as the mod over here was happy no risk of people being banned.

 

[Chunksafc]

I haven’t read this thread but can guess what it contains.
Why waste your time slagging off the other forum?
Maybe I was wrong.

Slight point of order, the thread on here is clearly headlined rtg, its obvious to anyone it not going to be a thread praising it.

Better this than, posts infecting normal threads?

 

[Chunksafc]

He's raised some good questions tbh like and backed it up.

Well maybe he has I'm not too sure what those documents meant. @Smug in Boots you asked GOM or would he come on here?

Be good to see his side too seeing as the mod over here was happy no risk of people being banned.

He has and appears to have backed it up, but isn't it better to get the full answers which we will only get through proper channels

 

[Kittenmittons]

@Kittenmittons fair enough you have raised a concern that I don't really understand.

Would you be better off, in light of the current pitchfork and torch mentality of some fans, going through a more formal route?

I don't think it's worth doing anything until the accounts for both SAFC and Madrox are published in April and we know roughly where the money has gone from SAFC, and what Madrox's headline accounts look like (eg: how much they owe to various parties as of July 31st this year). The truth is, as I've said, that nothing they've done is 'illegal' and they are not under any legal obligation to tell us anything beyond that.

What I will say, is that I'm not the only person who would like to piece together the money leaving SAFC and the money Madrox subsequently owes to the club.

 

[BigPete]

He has and appears to have backed it up, but isn't it better to get the full answers which we will only get through proper channels

Of course which hopefully they will tell us but doesn't meant cant discuss it especially if its there to see. Not saying they've done anything wrong mind just find it interesting as I know nothing of that side of it.

 

[Chunksafc]

I don't think it's worth doing anything until the accounts for both SAFC and Madrox are published in April and we know roughly where the money has gone from SAFC, and what Madrox's headline accounts look like (eg: how much they owe to various parties as of July 31st this year). The truth is, as I've said, that nothing they've done is 'illegal' and they are not under any legal obligation to tell us anything beyond that.

What I will say, is that I'm not the only person who would like to piece together the money leaving SAFC and the money Madrox subsequently owes to the club.

That's fair comment, the trouble is there is a big group waiting to pounce on anything remotely negative and anything like this needs careful consideration

 

[Chunksafc]

Of course which hopefully they will tell us but doesn't meant cant discuss it especially if its there to see. Not saying they've done anything wrong mind just find it interesting as I know nothing of that side of it.

I rely on others to interpret the accounts and explain them in words I understand. In my post above I explain that due to the current situation any possible answers or outcomes need to be worded carefully

 

[T_Bone]

You could ask them the same mate, endless digs at people and sometimes from Mods.

People have brought grudges of bannings and Trolls from there, myself included.

It'll take a while before people forgive the treatment they've had over there.

It’s not all about you ffs.

You could ask them the same mate, endless digs at people and sometimes from Mods.

People have brought grudges of bannings and Trolls from there, myself included.

It'll take a while before people forgive the treatment they've had over there.

Fffs youve come back here to start again. Do it.

 

[BigPete]

That's fair comment, the trouble is there is a big group waiting to pounce on anything remotely negative and anything like this needs careful consideration

Hope don't think I'm part of that pouncing group mind

 

[janey]

I’ve never had and never will have a problem with RTG. I do have a problem with some of the posters, cynical, negative and desperate to say I told you so.
For over 2 weeks I’ve never posted on any thread apart from the football on TV thread. It’s just not worth the poo you get from the negative posters.
I love me team. But I’ve no idea why sone bother

 

[Chunksafc]

I’ve never had and never will have a problem with RTG. I do have a problem with some of the posters, cynical, negative and desperate to say I told you so.
For over 2 weeks I’ve never posted on any thread apart from the football on TV thread. It’s just not worth the poo you get from the negative posters.
I love me team. But I’ve no idea why sone bother

Your post just shows the problems on there