Rooney Rule

[mistermc]

Not sure if this has been discussed on here previously but I know I have not posted my opinion on it..

When often its mentioned I have always thought surely it must be as almost as bad knowing you are only getting an interview because of the colour of your skin and to fulfill a quota, as it is to suspect you didnt get considered for the role for the same reason??


I see today Kieron Dyer and Titus Bramble have expressed the same view...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/30017857

 

[BOJACKHCAFCMAN]

Unfortunate name for the rule (Rooney). Any form of discrimination is bad in my view whether it's positive or negative.

 

[TheCasual]

SSN put up a state saying 25.7% of players are ethnic minority. But it's kinda miss leading because players now aren't going to become managers for upto 15 years.

Another thing is ethnic minority only equals around 10% of coaches with the necessary qualifications.

I don't think there's a deep rooted problem, but more work can be done.

I just think the 'Rooney Rule' would be token gesture.

 

[Amin Arrears]

To be honest, anyone who thinks employers at English professional clubs are racially prejudiced is an idiot. How many black players are there about? Does anyone bat an eyelid at signing a black player? Does anyone even think about their skin colour? Football is a tough business and if you're good enough then someone will want/need you, as proved by the fact convicted rapists and woman beaters can continue to find employment within the game.

It's true that there are a remarkably minuscule amount of black managers or coaches within the game, and I've no idea why that is, but I seriously doubt that it's got anything to do with their skin colour.

Interviewing people just to fill a quota is ridiculous.

 

[Walter Sobchak]

Pointless in my eyes.

 

[originallambrettaman]

http://www.not606.com/showthread.php/282693-Another-Football-Problem

 

[PLT]

I'll repeat my stat from the other thread.

There's 9 black coaches in the UK with a UEFA pro licence. 9 to choose from in total.

This wouldn't be a story if it weren't for our country's bizarre fascination with racism.

 

[Amin Arrears]

Just imagine it.

"Hi Sol Campbell, I've already decided who will get the job, it's notnyou, but will you come in for an interview please? It's only because you're black, and I need to fill a quota."

 

[Barchullona]

I'll repeat my stat from the other thread.

There's 9 black coaches in the UK with a UEFA pro licence. 9 to choose from in total.

This wouldn't be a story if it weren't for our country's bizarre fascination with racism.

Thought Paul Ince said 14 out of 192. The more important question I,s why only 192 compared to 2,000 in Spain which has half our population. 1,000 in Germany. As for level,1 coaches, 2,500 here 27,00 in Spain, 30,000 in Germany, 20,000 in Holland with a quarter of our population.

 

[Carmine Galante.]

Thought Paul Ince said 14 out of 192. The more important question I,s why only 192 compared to 2,000 in Spain which has half our population. 1,000 in Germany. As for level,1 coaches, 2,500 here 27,00 in Spain, 30,000 in Germany, 20,000 in Holland with a quarter of our population.

I think the cost of the doing the coaching courses in England is extortionate compared to other countries.

That probably has something to do with it.

 

[Barchullona]

I think the cost of the doing the coaching courses in England is extortionate compared to other countries.

That probably has something to do with it.

It is dear for the average person but most doing the higher level ones are ex-players so it wouldn't be so much for them. I know an ex-player now in his thirties who is doing his in Europe as are a number of ex pros who reckon you get more through it that way.

 

[Chazz Rheinhold]

It is dear for the average person but most doing the higher level ones are ex-players so it wouldn't be so much for them. I know an ex-player now in his thirties who is doing his in Europe as are a number of ex pros who reckon you get more through it that way.

I asked in the summer when HDM showed Rosey and Hudd doing their badges in N Ireland. Why?

 

[Dr.Stanley O'Google, HCFC]

Whoops! http://www.theguardian.com/football/2007/may/21/newsstory.sport5

 

[Davies Headband]

Thought Paul Ince said 14 out of 192. The more important question I,s why only 192 compared to 2,000 in Spain which has half our population. 1,000 in Germany. As for level,1 coaches, 2,500 here 27,00 in Spain, 30,000 in Germany, 20,000 in Holland with a quarter of our population.

I read somewhere recently - possibly in FourFourTwo but I'm not sure; that the reason the numbers look so low in these stats is that the majority of coaches in this country are qualified to a different course and badge to The FA, whereas the coaches in most other European countries have always qualified under UEFA.

I've no idea whether this is true or not, just a different point of view.

 

[renegadetiger]

Just imagine it.

"Hi Sol Campbell, I've already decided who will get the job, it's notnyou, but will you come in for an interview please? It's only because you're black, and I need to fill a quota."

Yeah in fairness, the reason Sol Campbell wouldn't get a coach's job is that he's a ****er.

 

[Barchullona]

I read somewhere recently - possibly in FourFourTwo but I'm not sure; that the reason the numbers look so low in these stats is that the majority of coaches in this country are qualified to a different course and badge to The FA, whereas the coaches in most other European countries have always qualified under UEFA.

I've no idea whether this is true or not, just a different point of view.

Article written after 2010 World Cup. Figures won't have altered that much since. To put in perspective 2,500 coaches, almost as many as we have in the whole country, are employed in Spanish schools.

http://www.theguardian.com/football/2010/jun/27/england-football-world-cup-fa

 

[Davies Headband]

Article written after 2010 World Cup. Figures won't have altered that much since. To put in perspective 2,500 coaches, almost as many as we have in the whole country, are employed in Spanish schools.

http://www.theguardian.com/football/2010/jun/27/england-football-world-cup-fa

But that's sort of what I'm saying I've read - that we have the qualified coaches but they were trained by the FA and not UEFA.

I have absolutely no idea whether it's true or not, just that I've read something like that.

 

[Hank Scorpio]

It's a load of rubbish.

It should be if they're good enough they'll get the job, rather than filling quotas to appease a few people.

There's tons of black players in the English game, so you'd have thought some of them would've picked some managerial techniques from Wenger, Mourinho, Sir Alex or whoever they played under, and gone on into management.

Also, Sol Campbell saying he'd have been captain of England if he was white was a piss take.

 

[Quill]

It's a load of rubbish.

It should be if they're good enough they'll get the job, rather than filling quotas to appease a few people.

There's tons of black players in the English game, so you'd have thought some of them would've picked some managerial techniques from Wenger, Mourinho, Sir Alex or whoever they played under, and gone on into management.

Also, Sol Campbell saying he'd have been captain of England if he was white was a piss take.

100% this.

It's almost hilarious.

 

[Erik]

Thought Paul Ince said 14 out of 192. The more important question I,s why only 192 compared to 2,000 in Spain which has half our population. 1,000 in Germany. As for level,1 coaches, 2,500 here 27,00 in Spain, 30,000 in Germany, 20,000 in Holland with a quarter of our population.

Paul Ince keeps cropping up on this topic, and he is a ****ing clown. This is a man who represented England at a World Cup, played for three of the biggest clubs in the world in Man United, Liverpool and Inter (the latter of which he managed to wangle his overrated son a trial with, after a few good Championship performances and a non-event of a loan at top-flight Palace). He has managed several Football League clubs and is more than likely a multi-millionaire. He talks of a ‘lack of opportunities’ in the manner of a Brixton teenager who is on the cusp of being drawn into a life of drug abuse and gang warfare. Has he forgotten that the Premier League, in their haste to appeal to the politically correct amongst their target audience, gave him special dispensation to manage Blackburn Rovers despite not having the appropriate qualifications? Perhaps the next time he is rejected for a job, or rather pretends to have been in order to attract sympathy from those who don’t know much about the man, he would do well to look at his record as a manager. Though an excellent player in his mid-90s heyday, he has been an utterly abject coach. He flopped at Blackburn, Notts County and Blackpool, and though his success at Milton Keynes – he won the League Two title – is praiseworthy, one ought to take into account that it was done on a budget that some Championship clubs would envy. His repeated whining merely reinforces in the minds of chairmen what we fans have suspected since he was still turning out at Upton Park and Old Trafford; that he is lacking in moral fibre, quick to pass the buck and that he comes across as a man more than willing to lie and manipulate in order to get himself a better deal, even when at the expense of others.

I hope he gets hit by a bus.