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Citizen Kane. said:
All 3 of them have been flops. I had high hopes for Buendia as he and Skipp were superb at Norwich last season, but it looks like he has 'Mitrovic Syndrome' in that he is too good for the Championship but not quite good enough for the PL. With Coutinho joining permanently you'd imagine he'll get less game time.

Ings is a useful player but 7 goals in 30 games is a really poor return for a club that aspires to break into the top half. There are rumours that they want to sell him already.
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Ings and Watkins are both decent forwards, but they don't complement each other.
I'm not sure that either suits Villa's system as a loan striker, either.

Buendia's looked decent to me in several games.
He's been moved around a lot and Gerrard has changed his whole shape quite a bit, too.
He doesn't seem to know what his best team is, what formation to use or which style of play to adopt.
There's plenty of room for versatility and adaptability, but I think you have to judge that on results.
Change things around and win? Brilliant. Do it and lose? You don't know what you're doing.
 
humanbeingincroydon said:
Or because they loaned in six players when only five can be used in matchday squads, which is exactly what happened with John at Charlton and Jack Clarke at Leeds

But just because a club can't count, that's no reason to suggest incompetence...
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So with a choice of 5 out of 6 your players were not good enough to gain selection?
 
Diego said:
So with a choice of 5 out of 6 your players were not good enough to gain selection?
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Considering that in both cases the clubs loaned in our player then loaned in a sixth afterwards, our player was clearly good enough, most obviously in John's case given they made a big deal of Chris Powell unveiling him when his loan went through - and then Chelsea bought one of their first teamers and loaned him back for the rest of the season, which ****ed the whole arrangement up right out of the gate

In other words, your argument wasn't good enough to withstand the mildest amount of scrutiny
 
humanbeingincroydon said:
Considering that in both cases the clubs loaned in our player then loaned in a sixth afterwards, our player was clearly good enough, most obviously in John's case given they made a big deal of Chris Powell unveiling him when his loan went through - and then Chelsea bought one of their first teamers and loaned him back for the rest of the season, which ****ed the whole arrangement up right out of the gate

In other words, your argument wasn't good enough to withstand the mildest amount of scrutiny
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Is it ever? WUM standards are pretty low. Ask Sucky.
 
humanbeingincroydon said:
Considering that in both cases the clubs loaned in our player then loaned in a sixth afterwards, our player was clearly good enough, most obviously in John's case given they made a big deal of Chris Powell unveiling him when his loan went through - and then Chelsea bought one of their first teamers and loaned him back for the rest of the season, which ****ed the whole arrangement up right out of the gate

In other words, your argument wasn't good enough to withstand the mildest amount of scrutiny
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In that case i assume they both played many games.
 
PleaseNotPoll said:
Ings and Watkins are both decent forwards, but they don't complement each other.
I'm not sure that either suits Villa's system as a loan striker, either.

Buendia's looked decent to me in several games.
He's been moved around a lot and Gerrard has changed his whole shape quite a bit, too.
He doesn't seem to know what his best team is, what formation to use or which style of play to adopt.
There's plenty of room for versatility and adaptability, but I think you have to judge that on results.
Change things around and win? Brilliant. Do it and lose? You don't know what you're doing.
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Villa have a number of players who are highly rated individually but they don’t knit together as a team. Recruitment of the likes of McGinn, Watkins and Cash, for example, look great value for money and shrewd at face a value, but nobody has considered how they fit into the team.
Contrast to Liverpool who done very well at making equally savvy signings, but of players who fit the profile of the team and have improved individually (and have improved the team collectively) e.g Robertson, Mane.
Nobody thought Robertson was one of the best left backs around before they signed him.
 
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I spoke to a work mate who's in Paris last night ( liverpool fan from Basildon ) and the French are handing out €135 fines to anybody on the Champs Elysees and Arc de triomphe areas who are wearing football shirts scarves ,flags or hats from last night until Sunday, welcome to Paris
 
Alfie Conn said:
I spoke to a work mate who's in Paris last night ( liverpool fan from Basildon ) and the French are handing out €135 fines to anybody on the Champs Elysees and Arc de triomphe areas who are wearing football shirts scarves ,flags or hats from last night until Sunday, welcome to Paris
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Nice of the BBC to interview so many of them last night under the Arc de Triomphe, makes it easier for the gendarmes
 
Interesting pragma vs dogma dilemma today for Los ingraticos.

Do you have Bale on the team sheet , should a potential
repeat of 2018 be necessary, or do you trust that the
collective team sheet that got to the final will get the job done ??
 
Alfie Conn said:
I spoke to a work mate who's in Paris last night ( liverpool fan from Basildon ) and the French are handing out €135 fines to anybody on the Champs Elysees and Arc de triomphe areas who are wearing football shirts scarves ,flags or hats from last night until Sunday, welcome to Paris
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Yep: https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/61610761
I'd be open to extending this to all Liverpool kits in London.
 
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The RDBD said:
Interesting pragma vs dogma dilemma today for Los ingraticos.

Do you have Bale on the team sheet , should a potential
repeat of 2018 be necessary, or do you trust that the
collective team sheet that got to the final will get the job done ??
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He’ll probably be there, you’re allowed 12 subs on the bench for the final so even if Ancelotti has no plans to use him it’s difficult to imagine him not being there.
 
Alfie Conn said:
I spoke to a work mate who's in Paris last night ( liverpool fan from Basildon ) and the French are handing out €135 fines to anybody on the Champs Elysees and Arc de triomphe areas who are wearing football shirts scarves ,flags or hats from last night until Sunday, welcome to Paris
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I hope this gets a €1350 fine...

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