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vimhawk said:
I didn't see it until now. The (Arse) penalty is certainly debatable, but I am also not sure about the rules on rebounds. If there really is enough time for one more kick, does the time immediately expire once the kick is taken? What are the actual rules on this?
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This lifted directly from Law 14 - The Penalty kick

'Additional time is allowed for a penalty kick to be taken and completed at the end of each half of the match or extra time. When additional time is allowed, the penalty kick is completed when, after the kick has been taken, the ball stops moving, goes out of play, is played by any player (including the kicker) other than the defending goalkeeper, or the referee stops play for an offence by the kicker or the kicker's team. If a defending team player (including the goalkeeper) commits an offence and the penalty is missed/saved, the penalty is retaken.'

So yes no rebounds allowed
 
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humanbeingincroydon said:
Or, we waited for his move to Bayern to fall through, rather rush in with an offer to try and match what Bayern had on the table

We bid for Grealish in June, not late in the window
Clarke being on our radar for most of the season of his breakthrough is hardly dawdling, is it?
Hang on, let's just ask everyone's favourite Francoists what they think of him...yup, they seem to think he was playing them off the pitch as a No8, just before three years as a No6
If the club listened to the ubermensch he'd probably still be here right now, rather than giving credence to the theory that qualifies as radioactive material given the last decade has consisted of there being a half life on things turning to **** when he's at the helm with Roma experiencing this six months quicker than we did. If he actually played Dele and let people realise he regressed, rather than bench him and single him out for patently overblown criticism for petty reasons on the rare occasions he got off the bench, then the club might have considered letting him go in January instead of have him become one of the many, many battle lines drawn with Captain No Mates in charge
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That wasn’t down to waiting, it was reacting to an opportune moment to sign a player that up until that point probably wouldn’t have joined us. You don’t wait for a player that was never previously on your radar.

We bid for Grealish in June, July and August.

It’s long enough to wait for Clarke to then decide he’s worth paying £10m for, a decent amount for someone with little experience.

So Winks came good because of one stellar performance? You can probably count on one hand the amount of good games he’s had. Very low standards if that’s deemed coming good for you. Skipp’s already put a better run of games in succession than Winks ever has.

Why would you willingly play a poor player just to prove a point? There’s no logic to that. It’s been playing and buying poor players that’s seen us decline.
 
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Dier Hard said:
That wasn’t down to waiting, it was reacting to an opportune moment to sign a player that up until that point probably wouldn’t have joined us. You don’t wait for a player that was never previously on your radar.

We bid for Grealish in June, July and August.

It’s long enough to wait for Clarke to then decide he’s worth paying £10m for, a decent amount for someone with little experience.

So Winks came good because of one stellar performance? You can probably count on one hand the amount of good games he’s had. Very low standards if that’s deemed coming good for you. Skipp’s already put a better run of games in succession than Winks ever has.

Why would you willingly play a poor player just to prove a point? There’s no logic to that. It’s been playing and buying poor players that’s seen us decline.
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That was absolutely down to waiting, because not waiting would have seen us rival Bayern's bid

We bid for Grealish in June. And that, right there, is the end of that particular strand of the argument. Because we bid for him in June, meaning you can't say we waited, due to bidding in June
Really it isn't, considering IIRC we had David Pleat scouting Dele for a couple of years before making an offer
No, Winks came good because he came good because that wasn't the only performance, he also had a good game against Barca the following season, and just to remind you Skipp is a natural No6 while Winks isn't, so saying Skipp's proved to be a better player in his natural position than Skipp is in one which isn't is, if anything, talking down Skipp - not least since plenty of people on here were saying two years ago, when Poch was still here, Skipp was clearly better fit for that role than Winks was yet Poch persisted with Winks there in that bloody useless formation he had us playing

The question you should be asking isn't whether I would play a poor player, it's whether I would make half the fanbase side with the player by being so over the top with petty criticisms on the rare occasions they do play, and the answer to that is clearly not - but that's not the answer that the ubermensch gave, because apparently the phrase "Maybe it's me that's the problem?" doesn't seem to exist in his vocabulary, in spite there being an ever-growing number of players and fans who would like to answer that question for him
 
humanbeingincroydon said:
That was absolutely down to waiting, because not waiting would have seen us rival Bayern's bid

We bid for Grealish in June. And that, right there, is the end of that particular strand of the argument. Because we bid for him in June, meaning you can't say we waited, due to bidding in June
Really it isn't, considering IIRC we had David Pleat scouting Dele for a couple of years before making an offer
No, Winks came good because he came good because that wasn't the only performance, he also had a good game against Barca the following season, and just to remind you Skipp is a natural No6 while Winks isn't, so saying Skipp's proved to be a better player in his natural position than Skipp is in one which isn't is, if anything, talking down Skipp - not least since plenty of people on here were saying two years ago, when Poch was still here, Skipp was clearly better fit for that role than Winks was yet Poch persisted with Winks there in that bloody useless formation he had us playing

The question you should be asking isn't whether I would play a poor player, it's whether I would make half the fanbase side with the player by being so over the top with petty criticisms on the rare occasions they do play, and the answer to that is clearly not - but that's not the answer that the ubermensch gave, because apparently the phrase "Maybe it's me that's the problem?" doesn't seem to exist in his vocabulary, in spite there being an ever-growing number of players and fans who would like to answer that question for him
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You can’t wait for a player that was never on your radar until 24-48 hours of the window due his move collapsing, we didn’t wait for that to happen, you couldn’t possibly tell it was going to happen but it did and we then had an amazing opportunity that we reacted very quickly too.

We bid £3m and Josh Onomah in June. We made another bid or two in July. We finally made a sufficient bid in August to which by then Villa were able to say “no” to. If we hadn’t waited til then to make that bid he would’ve been ours. That’s the end to that.

So as I said, Winks has had about a handful of good games? Therefore we’re still waiting for him to actually come good. Skipp is everything our fanbase wanted Winks to be.

You simply don’t play poor players, that’s it, that’s literally it. We’ve waited long enough for Dele to regain his form, too long in fact and Jose was correct in his decision to drop him. Jose got a hell of a lot of decisions wrong but that certainly wasn’t one.
 
I wonder if we'll be facing a New Manager Bounce next week or will Ole still be at the wheel?
Probably won't matter either way, to be honest! <laugh>
 
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