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[Billy The Spur]

There was a clear and obvious error in the Brentford v Spurs game when Kane was rugby tackled to the floor in the penalty area, VAR did fack all and consequently the correct decision was not made. We all know if it was Rashford or Salah being dragged to the floor like that, the on field referee gives a penalty at the drop of a hat. We also know if that is Van Dyke or Varane rugby tackling an attacking player like that, it is likely the on field referee gives no penalty and VAR fails to overturn it. Make no mistake, `Benefit of doubt officiating` has a massive impact on results and league tables.

 

[Diego]

There was a clear and obvious error in the Brentford v Spurs game when Kane was rugby tackled to the floor in the penalty area, VAR did fack all and consequently the correct decision was not made. We all know if it was Rashford or Salah being dragged to the floor like that, the on field referee gives a penalty at the drop of a hat. We also know if that is Van Dyke or Varane rugby tackling an attacking player like that, it is likely the on field referee gives no penalty and VAR fails to overturn it. Make no mistake, `Benefit of doubt officiating` has a massive impact on results and league tables.

Yeah mate, all the refs are out to get you and the whole prem board feels the same way

 

[littleDinosaurLuke]

There was a clear and obvious error in the Brentford v Spurs game when Kane was rugby tackled to the floor in the penalty area, VAR did fack all and consequently the correct decision was not made. We all know if it was Rashford or Salah being dragged to the floor like that, the on field referee gives a penalty at the drop of a hat. We also know if that is Van Dyke or Varane rugby tackling an attacking player like that, it is likely the on field referee gives no penalty and VAR fails to overturn it. Make no mistake, `Benefit of doubt officiating` has a massive impact on results and league tables.

I think it should have been a penalty, but I’m struggling to grasp the conspiracy theory explaining the collusion of both the ref and the VAR official in failing to award it. Wasn’t it just a bad decision? Isn’t Kane, given his status, one of the protected species refs allegedly look after? And why would they show favouritism to Ben Mee from little old Brentford?
I’ve yet to hear a sensible explanation for bias against Spurs, especially given that Spurs are one of those bigger clubs the refs supposedly favour.

 

[BobbyD]

I think it should have been a penalty, but I’m struggling to grasp the conspiracy theory explaining the collusion of both the ref and the VAR official in failing to award it. Wasn’t it just a bad decision? Isn’t Kane, given his status, one of the protected species refs allegedly look after? And why would they show favouritism to Ben Mee from little old Brentford?
I’ve yet to hear a sensible explanation for bias against Spurs, especially given that Spurs are one of those bigger clubs the refs supposedly favour.

Because spurs arent a big club and even though they hate the little clubs, they hate spurs more.

I make billy right there, everyone hates spurs

 

[paultheplug]

I think it should have been a penalty, but I’m struggling to grasp the conspiracy theory explaining the collusion of both the ref and the VAR official in failing to award it. Wasn’t it just a bad decision? Isn’t Kane, given his status, one of the protected species refs allegedly look after? And why would they show favouritism to Ben Mee from little old Brentford?
I’ve yet to hear a sensible explanation for bias against Spurs, especially given that Spurs are one of those bigger clubs the refs supposedly favour.

Remember that Brentford play in red. Red has been statistically proven to have preferential treatment over other colours, especially over blue

 

[littleDinosaurLuke]

Remember that Brentford play in red. Red has been statistically proven to have preferential treatment over other colours, especially over blue

But the white stripes should make all the difference.
Ooh, Michael van Gerwen

 

[vimhawk]

But the white stripes should make all the difference.
Ooh, Michael van Gerwen

Yeah, but what about the red stripes? One of the most minty I thought.

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[The Changing Man]

In case you hadn't noticed this is the Tottenham Hotspur subsection of this forum and if we want to moan (as all football fans do and don't say you don't) about refs and our team frequently getting **** decisions then we can and if you don't like it I suggest you **** off elsewhere, because you should know by now that we are miserable bunch of whiny bastards.

Happy New Year

 

[PleaseNotPoll]

Remember that Brentford play in red. Red has been statistically proven to have preferential treatment over other colours, especially over blue

This is actually a factual thing, bizarrely. It's even a thing in tae kwon do:
https://www.nationalgeographic.com/...es-get-more-points-by-making-referees-see-red
Explains why all the Eredivisie sides wear it.

 

[PleaseNotPoll]

I think it should have been a penalty, but I’m struggling to grasp the conspiracy theory explaining the collusion of both the ref and the VAR official in failing to award it. Wasn’t it just a bad decision? Isn’t Kane, given his status, one of the protected species refs allegedly look after? And why would they show favouritism to Ben Mee from little old Brentford?
I’ve yet to hear a sensible explanation for bias against Spurs, especially given that Spurs are one of those bigger clubs the refs supposedly favour.

I suggested that this would be the case when VAR was first announced.

The officials continue to favour the likes of Liverpool and Man Utd, to pick two examples.
They get the bulk of the initial on-field calls and VAR refuses to overturn mistakes 90% of the time.
To counter this supposed big team bias they go the other way on some other sides near the top.
That means that teams like Spurs and even Chelsea get ****ed over.
Take the last round of games for two really obvious examples with those teams.

Why does this happen? No idea. Massive media bias and the ref selections don't help.
We've all heard for years how "great" Utd and the Scouse supposedly are.
Now City are ****ed over endlessly and are allowed to hack away all day long, too.
Far too many officials from the Northwest and none from anywhere near London.

 

[The Huddlefro]

I suggested that this would be the case when VAR was first announced.

The officials continue to favour the likes of Liverpool and Man Utd, to pick two examples.
They get the bulk of the initial on-field calls and VAR refuses to overturn mistakes 90% of the time.
To counter this supposed big team bias they go the other way on some other sides near the top.
That means that teams like Spurs and even Chelsea get ****ed over.
Take the last round of games for two really obvious examples with those teams.

Why does this happen? No idea. Massive media bias and the ref selections don't help.
We've all heard for years how "great" Utd and the Scouse supposedly are.
Now City are ****ed over endlessly and are allowed to hack away all day long, too.
Far too many officials from the Northwest and none from anywhere near London.

VAR is too troubled with protecting the integrity of the referee on the pitch. It should be about making the right decision full stop, with the officials working together as a team.

Broadcast the on-pitch officials’ microphone feeds and discussions with the VAR, and rephrase the whole rules of the operation so that it’s about the right decision. There will be rare occasions where it’s still unclear after video review and the judgement of the on-pitch referee should stand there but the line of where a decision should be ‘overturned’ (we should not use that word because it prejudices the whole operation of the system) is currently not where it should be.

 

[Tilly'sowner]

I agree that discussions between the var officials and the ref ought to be broadcasted live just as they do in international rugby. It provides absolute clarity to their reasoning.

 

[PleaseNotPoll]

VAR is too troubled with protecting the integrity of the referee on the pitch. It should be about making the right decision full stop, with the officials working together as a team.

Broadcast the on-pitch officials’ microphone feeds and discussions with the VAR, and rephrase the whole rules of the operation so that it’s about the right decision. There will be rare occasions where it’s still unclear after video review and the judgement of the on-pitch referee should stand there but the line of where a decision should be ‘overturned’ (we should not use that word because it prejudices the whole operation of the system) is currently not where it should be.

They only want to change things in the most extreme circumstances.
Then they get some pillock ex-ref on to back them up.
They're intentionally nullifying VAR because it suits them to do so.

 

[The Huddlefro]

They only want to change things in the most extreme circumstances.
Then they get some pillock ex-ref on to back them up.
They're intentionally nullifying VAR because it suits them to do so.

I don’t know if there’s a conspiracy. It feels like it at times for sure but likely every fan base feels like that at times.

 

[PleaseNotPoll]

I don’t know if there’s a conspiracy. It feels like it at times for sure but likely every fan base feels like that at times.

I'm not saying it's a conspiracy against certain clubs, exactly.
The refs are backing their mates, even when they make utter bullshit decisions.
It just so happens to help the clubs that they hold biases for.

 

[Dier Hard]

I don’t know if there’s a conspiracy. It feels like it at times for sure but likely every fan base feels like that at times.

This is generally my view, if you read posts over the games and weeks on the Prem board or even social media in general you'll see fans of multiple clubs bemoaning poor calls against them.

My opinion is that the refereeing in this country, both on the pitch and in the VAR booth is awful, no one really benefits and the fans at games especially are having their experiences ruined by them.

Best thing the FA/ PGMOL etc could do would be a complete overhaul but that ain't happening any time soon.

 

[littleDinosaurLuke]

I suggested that this would be the case when VAR was first announced.

The officials continue to favour the likes of Liverpool and Man Utd, to pick two examples.
They get the bulk of the initial on-field calls and VAR refuses to overturn mistakes 90% of the time.
To counter this supposed big team bias they go the other way on some other sides near the top.
That means that teams like Spurs and even Chelsea get ****ed over.
Take the last round of games for two really obvious examples with those teams.

Why does this happen? No idea. Massive media bias and the ref selections don't help.
We've all heard for years how "great" Utd and the Scouse supposedly are.
Now City are ****ed over endlessly and are allowed to hack away all day long, too.
Far too many officials from the Northwest and none from anywhere near London.

David Coote, the ref who didn’t award a penalty when Mee wrestled Kane is from Nottinghamshire (his dad played cricket for Notts CCC). He is neither from the North or South and has no known affiliation to either Utd or Liverpool or dislike of Spurs. There appears no other explanation for his mistake other than he called it wrong. I’m still baffled how you see bias and/or corruption - which is what you accuse him of effectively.
The idea that some teams benefit more than others from bad refereeing decisions is an urban myth. Bad refereeing affects all teams.
How does your theory explain the Martial and Lamela decisions?

 

[PleaseNotPoll]

David Coote, the ref who didn’t award a penalty when Mee wrestled Kane is from Nottinghamshire (his dad played cricket for Notts CCC). He is neither from the North or South and has no known affiliation to either Utd or Liverpool or dislike of Spurs. There appears no other explanation for his mistake other than he called it wrong. I’m still baffled how you see bias and/or corruption - which is what you accuse him of effectively.
The idea that some teams benefit more than others from bad refereeing decisions is an urban myth. Bad refereeing affects all teams.
How does your theory explain the Martial and Lamela decisions?

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The Martial and Lamela furore was completely created by Neville on commentary.
Martial slapped Lamela in the face. Red card. End of story.
Lamela did virtually nothing. Utterly standard on a corner.
Had Martial not slapped him, then nobody would've been calling for some sort of equalising red.
Man Utd got a fair decision given against them and it's the ****ing apocalypse.
Shows just how privileged they are and have been for decades.

There was another great example from that same match.
Kane's penalty was the first that we were awarded against Utd in the Premier League. Ever...
We has some really blatant ones turned down, too. Phil Jones on Moura in 2018, for example.

"Sky Sport pundits Jamie Carragher and Gary Neville both believed it was a penalty.

When asked if it was a foul, Carragher said: "Yes. I spoke before the game about things Spurs have lacked. Lucas Moura has got pace. He gets his leg across and it's a typical Phil Jones challenge."

Neville added: "I don't think the shoulder challenge was but the legs came into contact. It's definitely a penalty."

 

[bigsmithy9]

Are the PL letting Arsenal become another Leicester? WOW! Aren't they sweet?

 

[littleDinosaurLuke]

Haaland scores
Never saw that coming