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[Spurlock]

By winning Champions Leagues and FA Cups?

Just imagine how good we'll be when he gets it right

this is the difference between the fans and Roman.

Roman knows its not as you put it 'champion leagues' that your winning. you won one and he knows it was flukey so you wont be adding to it..that's why he got rid of Di Matteo who helped you become the first holders to get knocked out at the group stage.

His biggest regret in all this is sacking AVB without giving him a chance. No wonder Roman has been like a jilted lover ever since and has started to dismantle everything he was hoping to build with AVB...he cant believe he dumped AVB for Di Matteo in the long run so it was inevitable Roman would have a meltdown....especially since AVB is proving that Roman's lack of judgement is Spurs's gain....but AVB :

you must stop rubbing it in....Roman is already suffering!


'yes yes i know revenge is like the sweetest joy next to getting pussy...yes i know Tupac said this ,AVB'

'it makes you feel good, you say? it makes you want to love your new girlfriend more? i understand that too'

'it's not nice AVB to say hes already onto his second gf and shes a fat bird..but your right it does prove that hes cracked up'


'ha ha yes very funny Andre...i suppose Roman's strap on will need replacing with the amount of shafting he does....whilst you shafted him for 17mill in 6 months...ohh stop rubbing it in now..right im off,in a bit'


extracts of my last text convo with AVB.

 

[PleaseNotPoll]

Demba Ba: dive, foul or neither?

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He was booked, but for me it's not a foul or a dive. Accidental, nothing contact and I wouldn't have given anything.

A **** quality video that probably doesn't help:

[video=youtube;-DqRaZXqNLk]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-DqRaZXqNLk[/video]

 

[Spurlock]

ill be honest PNP...i thought it was not delibarete then i thought but hes a Chelsea player so shame on him for getting booked for diving...cheat.

 

[No Kane No Gain]

I thought he'd given it at the time and if there's enough contact there I think it's a pen whether the contact was accidental or not.

However I've yet to see an angle where it looks like there was definitely contact, infact most suggest there was definitely none. That said if it was a dive it's very well timed, his leg reacts at exactly the right time and looks very believable.

In short, I don't think the ref can give a pen or a booking there but like Atkinson he's taken a punt anyway. Poor refereeing.

 

[District Line]

Demba Ba; booked for simulation when clipped, level goal ruled offside; Welcome to Chelsea

It was never a dive in a million years but Anthony Taylor is a poor ref, gave everything to Swansea but shouldn't detract from what was a spirited Swansea performance and woeful Chelsea one at that

 

[Wandering Yid]

Depends on your definition of a dive...

The contact made was not sufficient to make him go to ground, no, and he goes down in a fairly unnatural manner.

However, there was contact and often there is a need to put emphasis on the contact by going to ground, otherwise the referee will unjustly not give something.

 

[PleaseNotPoll]

Demba Ba; booked for simulation when clipped, level goal ruled offside; Welcome to Chelsea

Hello, Rafa!
Ba was offside. It was marginal, but he was still offside.

 

[SpursDisciple]

Demba Ba; booked for simulation when clipped, level goal ruled offside; Welcome to Chelsea

Bale gets the same treatment

 

[No Kane No Gain]

Demba Ba; booked for simulation when clipped, level goal ruled offside; Welcome to Chelsea

It was never a dive in a million years but Anthony Taylor is a poor ref, gave everything to Swansea but shouldn't detract from what was a spirited Swansea performance and woeful Chelsea one at that

The offside was minute and whilst I do think it's a bit unlucky that you didn't get it, when you're dealing with such fine margins, if the lino thought the ball was played a tenth of a second later than it was then Ba is half a yard offside. The decision could have gone eitherway and I don't think the side on the wrong end could have had much of a problem with it. If we want perfect decitions then we'll have to have a load of stoppages each game too.

I didn't think the ref did too badly overall, the fans were on his back. According to them Hernandez should've had a red instead of a booking and one instance when Ivanovic slid in to try and get to a ball(I assume) should have been a penalty to Chelsea. Even Ivanovic was trying to make it clear to the ref that in no way was he attempting to get a penalty.

Did you hear the "Stand Up If You Hate Tottenham" chants last night?

Depends on your definition of a dive...

The contact made was not sufficient to make him go to ground, no, and he goes down in a fairly unnatural manner.

However, there was contact and often there is a need to put emphasis on the contact by going to ground, otherwise the referee will unjustly not give something.

I don't like this idea of having to fall in an FA approved fashion. It's clear refs don't know what they're doing and it muddies the water of difficult decisions further for them. Players going down easy are too often rewarded for the officials to turn around and start punishing one or two here and there. Punish players who dive only and that means going down with no contact and going down before the challenge and then hoping for contact. Refs will still miss dives and wrongly book players who got contact but this FA approved falling nonsense means that refs can pretty much judge their decision no matter what.

There was a point in the game last night where Ivanavic and Michu were chasing down a ball and Michu nipped in ahead of the Serb and went down under a push. I think everyone knew that Ivanovic was going to push him but the actual contact turned out not to be very much and Michu's legs went straight away which was "unnatural" for the contact. It's clearly a foul but the ref, had he been closer, could have easily justified booking Michu instead.

The only real way to deal with diving properly is to punish it retroactively using replays but that in itself presents it's own problems so for now it should be kept simple and not requiring referees to make daft judgements about what's natural and not.

 

[bigsmithy9]

Talking about the "Stand up if you love Tottenham" chants.It took Tottenham Hotspur to become the first winners of a European trophy.No one else could do it until we showed them how........

 

[Wandering Yid]

I don't like this idea of having to fall in an FA approved fashion. It's clear refs don't know what they're doing and it muddies the water of difficult decisions further for them. Players going down easy are too often rewarded for the officials to turn around and start punishing one or two here and there. Punish players who dive only and that means going down with no contact and going down before the challenge and then hoping for contact. Refs will still miss dives and wrongly book players who got contact but this FA approved falling nonsense means that refs can pretty much judge their decision no matter what.

There was a point in the game last night where Ivanavic and Michu were chasing down a ball and Michu nipped in ahead of the Serb and went down under a push. I think everyone knew that Ivanovic was going to push him but the actual contact turned out not to be very much and Michu's legs went straight away which was "unnatural" for the contact. It's clearly a foul but the ref, had he been closer, could have easily justified booking Michu instead.

The only real way to deal with diving properly is to punish it retroactively using replays but that in itself presents it's own problems so for now it should be kept simple and not requiring referees to make daft judgements about what's natural and not.

But doesn't that definition of diving totally eliminate the contact element of the sport? I don't want to watch a sport where the players feel entitled to roll around on the floor in mock agony every time someone steps on their toes. If you give players a license to fall over every time there is contact the game will descend into a total farce. If a player falls over, the contact must be sufficient, if not then the player should be booked for diving. It is a fine line though of course, and retrospective action needs to be implemented far more by the FA.

 

[Hoddle is a god]

Talking about the "Stand up if you love Tottenham" chants.It took Tottenham Hotspur to become the first winners of a European trophy.No one else could do it until we showed them how........

Very true, bigsmithy.

But you try telling a Mouser or a Manc that.

 

[No Kane No Gain]

But doesn't that definition of diving totally eliminate the contact element of the sport? I don't want to watch a sport where the players feel entitled to roll around on the floor in mock agony every time someone steps on their toes. If you give players a license to fall over every time there is contact the game will descend into a total farce. If a player falls over, the contact must be sufficient, if not then the player should be booked for diving. It is a fine line though of course, and retrospective action needs to be implemented far more by the FA.

Exaggerating injury is still allowed as it is now and not to do with diving. Personally I don't mind too much if falling under minimal contact is punished, it sometimes annoys me too. What I'm saying though is that it's very difficult for refs to judge it in realtime and this idea of "falling unnaturally" simply muddies the water as to what is and isn't a dive. As a result we're already seeing more incorrect decisions and inconsistency. I'd much prefer the refs were more focused on the worst cases of simulation, the out and out diving. When you watch games at the weekend look at how many players go over "a bit soft" and win a freekick, or at least don't get a booking. They don't deserve bookings either in my view but the overreaction by a ref to a player with a bad reputation or just a random player that the ref has decided to make an example of resulting in a booking for the player doing what everyone else does is not the answer to making players more honest.

 

[bigsmithy9]

While I'm on here remembering......it took Tottenham Hotspur to become the first team in the modern era to do the double.No one else could do it until Spurs did it.
Then along came Arsenal in 1970-71 with their butchers.Trust Arsenal to cheapen it!

 

[notsosmartspur]

I thought he'd given it at the time and if there's enough contact there I think it's a pen whether the contact was accidental or not.

However I've yet to see an angle where it looks like there was definitely contact, infact most suggest there was definitely none. That said if it was a dive it's very well timed, his leg reacts at exactly the right time and looks very believable.

In short, I don't think the ref can give a pen or a booking there but like Atkinson he's taken a punt anyway. Poor refereeing.

If you look at the middle angle in PNP's vid, the view from behind Ba, his and the keepers hip/top of the thigh make contact, enough to knock both of them off their stride. Another ref in a different viewpoint may have given it.

 

[vimhawk]

But doesn't that definition of diving totally eliminate the contact element of the sport? I don't want to watch a sport where the players feel entitled to roll around on the floor in mock agony every time someone steps on their toes. If you give players a license to fall over every time there is contact the game will descend into a total farce. If a player falls over, the contact must be sufficient, if not then the player should be booked for diving. It is a fine line though of course, and retrospective action needs to be implemented far more by the FA.

Very good point. If contact means foul then by definition footie must be a non-contact sport!

Can you imagine players doing the same sort of dives all over the pitch that sometimes happen in the box? The whole game would look more ridiculous than it's already starting to. The fact is they often stay on their feet outside the box when clipped because there is no tactical advantage to going down (like getting a penalty). I guess as long as there is such a "reward" available from getting a foul in the box the diving will continue - though I'm not suggesting changing the penalty rule. I suspect the only way to deal with this is retrospective punishment, but as others have mentioned this presents other problems like punishing someone that might have already got a penalty and changed the result of a match, thus proving the ref was wrong (Carzola etc). The FA would never allow that - even though they refuse to give the refs the technological backup in real time that might allow them to make a better decision.

 

[No Kane No Gain]

If you look at the middle angle in PNP's vid, the view from behind Ba, his and the keepers hip/top of the thigh make contact, enough to knock both of them off their stride. Another ref in a different viewpoint may have given it.

Good spot, I was looking at their feet. Swans got lucky there really.

 

[notsosmartspur]

Good spot, I was looking at their feet. Swans got lucky there really.

So was I at first mate, but I could see his right leg drag and couldn't place his foot properly for some reason, and it didn't look put on.

I'm not sure if its a foul really, just a coming together of two players running from different directions, Ba was heading away from goal aswell.

 

[No Kane No Gain]

So was I at first mate, but I could see his right leg drag and couldn't place his foot properly for some reason, and it didn't look put on.

I'm not sure if its a foul really, just a coming together of two players running from different directions, Ba was heading away from goal aswell.

I think it has to be a foul if there's enough contact to put him on the deck. I'm sure he had no intentions of taking Ba out but he went for the ball and Ba got it ahead of him before he was taken out. I wouldn't card him or anything but it was a rare poor moment from the keeper in that match and unfairly denied Chelsea a chance at scoring. The general consensus seems to be that goal scoring chances in the area don't warrant a red card as you get a penalty(unless it's blatant cheating) and the fact that he was clearly only going for the ball should have a bearing on it too.

 

[notsosmartspur]

Certainly a tough one YV, and we've had many slo mo views, but one thing we do definietly agree on, it wasn't simulation...shocking decision, but couldn't have happened to a nicer team!