Off Topic Refused 'container cafe' planning application...

[Barchullona]

It wouldn't be much of a surprise to find some posters spend most of their time in empty rooms.

As the wise an said, I'd hate to be with them when they were by themselves.

A wise an types DMD, obviously distracted by the bustling hordes surrounding him,

 

[DMD]

Which facts? Having a different perspective to DMD does not a butter person make,

Still awaiting a few of those examples of people being upset at mention of ERYC **** ups BTW.

The facts as posted on Chaz's link seem likely to help make a more informed opinion than just those in the OP.

 

[DMD]

A wise an types DMD, obviously distracted by the bustling hordes surrounding him,

Funny you should say that. I should have asked the M people to sing in the other room. As an aside, I'm happy to say I did once dance with Heather Small.

 

[originallambrettaman]

I only wanted to know if people thought a modern pop-up cafe was a good idea for the Marina.

 

[DMD]

I only wanted to know if people thought the modern pop-up cafe as shown was a good idea for the Marina.

FTFY.

The vote doesn't really allow for my response.

A decent one, in the right position then possibly yes. The one in question in the OP, nah.

 

[Happy Tiger]

I only wanted to know if people thought a modern pop-up cafe was a good idea for the Marina.

Take this as a formal warning about your future conduct then.

Lets not see any more of these trouble making threads eh?

 

[Fez]

Nope.

A fair amount of the things whinged about are not the council either, despite what some claim or imply.

The city is the people, the council just represent them. I don't see too many people stepping up to act and progress the place.

The council want to represent the people of the city, they put themselves forward, their motivations can vary; it's the same for any such council, just being a term few if them would use, methinks.

But it's your second point that strikes a note; you seem to be challenging what you see as a lack of participation in progress, it seems you are criticising a failing of folk to challenge for the elected positions of councillor, a failing to support their opinions on a football forum, or elsewhere. Are the various party positions really so poorly challenged, or is there then a shortage of parties running for election. Where is the failing to 'step up and act to progress the place' that you speak of?

 

[DMD]

The council want to represent the people of the city, they put themselves forward, their motivations can vary; it's the same for any such council, just being a term few if them would use, methinks.

But it's your second point that strikes a note; you seem to be challenging what you see as a lack of participation in progress, it seems you are criticising a failing of folk to challenge for the elected positions of councillor, a failing to support their opinions on a football forum, or elsewhere. Are the various party positions really so poorly challenged, or is there then a shortage of parties running for election. Where is the failing to 'step up and act to progress the place' that you speak of?

I wasn't actually meaning for people to stand for election, although thinking about it, I do know a few people that felt strongly enough over issues to put themselves forward, and some of them were unfortunate enough to get elected.

I was more meaning having an input in other ways, for example by gathering the financial backers and building some of the things that it's suggested the Council should use our funds for. After all, I imagine the proposers are expecting it to not be a burden on the council, so there should be money in it.

There are other ways too, from responding to consultations or becoming active in some of the pressure groups or other societies.

Too often, threads on the subject seem to jump in on the initial scant information, but pay much less consideration as more facts come to light that don't fit the preconceptions.

 

[Fez]

Has anyone posted what the council said??

http://www.hulldailymail.co.uk/Mons...r-caf-eacute/story-28666432-detail/story.html

Councillors said they liked the concept but criticised the quality of the design and the proposed location.
But Councillor Rilba Jones, who moved refusal, described the container as "monstrous" and claimed it would ruin open views across the marina.

"It does absolutely nothing to preserve or enhance the conservation area," she said.

Councillor John Fareham welcomed the idea of a pop-up café near the waterfront but said the proposed design was poor.

"We need to pull up the quality of design in Hull and this will not achieve that," he said.

He said other units provided by the same supplier appeared to be of much higher quality and claimed the one intended for Hull was from the "bottom end of the range".

Councillor Terry Keal said locating the café on the very edge of the marina would prevent people from walking around the former Humber Dock.

He also criticised the proposed design, saying: "If it had been a hull of a ship converted into a café or had been suggested in another location, like Queens Gardens, it might have been a different matter."

Councillor Tom McVie said it would have been better if the restaurant owners had gone through an informal pre-application process with the council to iron out issues surrounding design and location before submitting the plans for a committee decision.


Fareham and Keal are not Labour either. And the last bit shows the proposers have gone about it poorly.

The quote certainly adds perspective. But I don't see that it makes the OP any less useful. It was a simple question and a yes or no would suffice - nothing wrong in explaining reservations in a follow-up post, with no need to attack the OP; it created a discussion, no more.

But I have underscored a part which has much merit as a piece of hindsight wisdom. What is more of a pity is that those good folk, employed, elected, whatever, who have control of these functions, never had the proactive wisdom to trigger such applications to an outreach group to intervene, assess and give sound advice to the developers.
Perhaps they could start by putting a bin in the corner of chambers in which blinkers can be tossed .

 

[Fez]

I wasn't actually meaning for people to stand for election, although thinking about it, I do know a few people that felt strongly enough over issues to put themselves forward, and some of them were unfortunate enough to get elected.

I was more meaning having an input in other ways, for example by gathering the financial backers and building some of the things that it's suggested the Council should use our funds for. After all, I imagine the proposers are expecting it to not be a burden on the council, so there should be money in it.

There are other ways too, from responding to consultations or becoming active in some of the pressure groups or other societies.

Too often, threads on the subject seem to jump in on the initial scant information, but pay much less consideration as more facts come to light that don't fit the preconceptions.

Okay, that's clearer. I understand the realities that being elected would throw at newly elected councillors, but I would question if they were right for the role if they consider themselves unfortunate to be elected - I can only take it you get that view from them, otherwise it has no standing. If this is the case, then there is little wonder the so-called dinosaurs hold the upper hand and a sad example of a so-called positive being turned to a very sad negative.

One of the issues I can see with independent financing and folk acting as project leaders and fundraisers is a lack of confidence in council support , which, maybe not irreversible, but would certainly be a real concern for investors. Smoke and fire, cause and effect, councils and the private sector.

Perhaps folk do get involved, but, unless you have a strong argument for it, I can see no reason or benefit in someone having to register that involvement on an anonymous football forum where mild politics is not only tolerated but promoted by the moderators.

Maybe, rather than using the assumptions of some posts as a way of provoking pointless argument, it might be better to simply state your view and leave the East Riding - HCC ****e where it belongs, not on here.

 

[GLP]

Hull City Council have refused planning permission for a 'container cafe' down by the Marina, on the basis that they think it's out of keeping with the area, a Councillor on Burnsy's show just described it as 'monstrous'. Obviously, it's not supposed to be in keeping, it's supposed to be a very modern structure that contrasts with the historic surroundings, so would you have approved it or not?

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When you put 'Container Cafe' I had visions of the sort of structure you see in lay-bys up and down the country serving the travel weary. The above however is pretty bloody cool, though it's not going to cater for many covers, but it Illustrates how short sighted Hull City Council are. There's nothing wrong with a blend of new and old - it adds to the area. I like it.

 

[Happy Tiger]

Ah ffs. Was just about to say welcome back Dutch then I started losing the will to live when your arch nemesis started wasting Internet bandwidth.

 

[Happy Tiger]

Regarding the OP, they have these in Bristol and they're ****ing fab.

HCC are ****s.

 

[DMD]

I'd love people to leave the HCC negativity out of it. As this thread shows, no assumptions, people latch on to a situation that the facts later reveal to be virtually non-existant. It's hardly the first time. Perhaps it would be better if these threads were aimed at finding out the reality, rather than people jumping to conclusions.

The people I know that got voted in are very happy to be there. The 'unforfunate' tag was mine, and relevant because it left the issue group with a key member with less time available as they felt obliged to fully take on their new, wider responsibilities.

These and others have found the council as helpful as they can be, given the limited resources and wider considerations they are obliged to take into account.

 

[GLP]

I like all this eulogising about Leeds, they have made some decent progressive changes. I still think Leeds is a ****ing **** hole. I covered the entire Leeds area for about 5-6 years and I can honestly say there's nowhere in Leeds I'd like to call home. The only areas I'd consider decent are in north Leeds and then the traffic infrastructure is piss poor.

 

[Fez]

Ah ffs. Was just about to say welcome back Dutch then I started losing the will to live when your arch nemesis started wasting Internet bandwidth.

Do you lack the courage of your convictions to say it plain?

 

[Amin Arrears]

Before seeing the plans i would of voted NO but they actually look pretty good. I thought it was going to be just some rusty old blue shipping container what you see on industrial estates with cafes in.

A rusty old blue shipping container probably would hve got planning permission.

 

[Barchullona]

I like all this eulogising about Leeds, they have made some decent progressive changes. I still think Leeds is a ****ing **** hole. I covered the entire Leeds area for about 5-6 years and I can honestly say there's nowhere in Leeds I'd like to call home. The only areas I'd consider decent are in north Leeds and then the traffic infrastructure is piss poor.

My uncle lived in Alwoodley, next door to that modernistic glass place designed by some well known
Russian architect and overlooking the golf course, which was quite an agreeable place.

There are indeed some crappy parts of Leeds. Interesting to see what were the desirable parts of Leeds in my grandad's time, especially one area which was then the Jewish quarter, now prostitute and drug ridden hell holes.
There again most cities have faltered greatly in the last few decades. Wouldn't like to live in Ameterdam now but would have gone there quite happily in the 1970s.

 

[GLP]

My uncle lived in Alwoodley, next door to that modernistic glass place designed by some well known
Russian architect and overlooking the golf course, which was quite an agreeable place.

There are indeed some crappy parts of Leeds. Interesting to see what were the desirable parts of Leeds in my grandad's time, especially one area which was then the Jewish quarter, now prostitute and drug ridden hell holes.
There again most cities have faltered greatly in the last few decades. Wouldn't like to live in Ameterdam now but would have gone there quite happily in the 1970s.

I've been to most cities in UK, I'm not really a fan of them. If I had to pick one it would probably be Edinburgh.

 

[Barchullona]

I've been to most cities in UK, I'm not really a fan of them. If I had to pick one it would probably be Edinburgh.

Hull is about the only city I would live in. At least in this country.Mainly because it isn't like a large city in many respects. More like a collection of small towns with a central point. A lot of people tend to identify themselves with the area of the city they come from, and if asked where they are from will answer Gipsyville, Bransholme, Hessle Road, Longhill (and expect the other person to know where they are on about). Someone from Leeds would just say Leeds, a Sheffield or Middlesbrough person would do the same. The fact Hull is so flat contributes to this as you only see the street you are in, in Leeds and Sheffield the hills nean you can see roads and lights in the distance giving a sense of the fact you are in a large place.