There are some late night bars in .Hull despite the police's wish to shut them all and have everybody home by midnight. But there aren't many, and unlike Leeds, there aren't any anyone over 30 would want to be in anyway. The Avenues, the centre of the cafe culture supposedly, is 90% shut by 11pm. Cafe Bars on the continent are where you sit down, are brought drinks in a quiet atmosphere until late and settle up when you leave after a pleasant, relaxing time. In Hull they are places where you fight at the bar for attention over the cacophony of noise before being told to leave early. Like pubs really. But higher prices because they are a "cafe bar."
Not impressed. There is a butchers on Chanterlands Avenue serving steak pie, chips OR jacket spuds with gravy OR peas, and wait for it.......beans. Fridays only. £1.99.
No to what? Some or all of it? Or just the reference to would TG have grasped the opportunity like they did in Leeds. One thing they did get wrong in Leeds was the trams. I was at my grandparents the night the last tram ran and went down to see it. It was lit up and the crowds were enormous. I remember my grandpa saying what daft thing it was to do and they would come to regret it. He lived off York Road half the way to Seacroft and the tram could whisk you into Leeds in 5 minutes and after getting off after a couple of minutes you could be in the large indoor market, the Victorian Arcades or all the major stores. All for a cheap price in an environmentally method of transport. Now to do the same journey takes 20 minutes to half an hour in a bus belching out fumes or a car where you then have to spend further time driving around to find somewhere to pay a fortune for the privilege of being allowed to park. Now the solution to the jams and pollution is tramways. A shame they dug them all up and tar aced over them. And heaven knows the cost nowadays of replacing it. Trams are one of those things which make up a pleasant city. Along with pavement cafes. Probably why so many European cities kept them and have ones of various ages clanking about.
I considered doing that when I went to Uni in Leeds but decided getting on the property ladder a few years earlier wasn't worth missing out on the proper uni experience, I just bought somewhere when I graduated instead. Plus there's zero profit to be made on city centre flats in Leeds these days, the markets saturated with them, the only people buying them now are buy to let landlords.
He didn't get on the property ladder. His dad saw an opportunity and did well out of it and saved his son money doing it. As you say, probably wouldn't work now. His mates certainly appreciated it with some great weekends there.
Rumour has it - not started by me - that Leeds is the biggest city in Europe without a dedicated transport system.
I looked at this when my daughter went to Uni, she did a year in Leeds, then three years in Manchester, but they were building so much stuff it made me nervous (particularly as I'd recently caught a cold with a new-build in London), so I didn't bother. Turned out it was a good move, there was no real increase in prices while she was there and I'd have gone to a load of effort for nothing. As Castro says, it was probably a good idea when the developments first started, but not now.
To be fair, he isn't the type of bloke who,approached it with a view to making money on it. He did it to help his lad and was lucky in the way it turned out.
Its amazing how fast these developments spring up, in Manchester was Ancoats and the area towards Eastlands, in Leeds it was Clarence Dock and its now heading out towards East Street. It makes you wonder how long it can carry on. You only have to browse the property websites to see how many are for sale and are listed a month later at a knock down price, like you say it doesn't seem to be a wise investment any more.
Clarence Dock - or Leeds Dock as it's now called - is the one massive error of Leeds developments. It's like a ruddy ghost town.
A fair amount of the whining g has turned out to be sod all to do with the council. All this comparison to Leeds seems to ignore the external funding gifted to Leeds which then brought private investors. Some large developments had to overcome issues with local businesses fearful of loosing staff to bether pay and conditions. It's worth scratching below the soundbites and twitter snippets some offer.
Having decent New Year celebrations and granting extended licences for pubs and clubs and not putting obstacles in the way is down to councils though.
To be fair, you say the same thing so many times, and I've answered it before, so it hardly seemed worth doing it again. I thought a few words were easier for you to ignore than a longer answer. Maybe you should just code your stock posts for brevity Ypu tbi k Hull closes early = ref a Leeds is ace = ref 2 Ignore the **** ups elsewhere = ref 3 Etc etc...
