Off Topic Refused 'container cafe' planning application...

[DMD]

A difference in attitudes in Leeds. Labour councils there have been business savvy whilst in Hull they seem to put obstacles in the way.
I remember in the 1960s an uncle of mine, a businessman, who had connections with members of the Leeds board, used to be one of the lucky few who went to European matches. He often went on the team plane, and it wasn't cheap often the few on that plane were the only ones there or maybe a few who went off their own bat, but that was difficult to Eastern Europe then. He said that invariably someone from Leeds council would go to promote Leeds. It worked as due to their presence a lot of enquiries about opportunities arose. I couldn't imagine, given the lack of making anything of Hull having the only PL club in Yorkshire, that HCC would do the same. Especially given our portfolio holder for sport and culture, the inestimable Mr Geraghty, stating after the City Of Culture award that "Hull is a sporting city. Not only do we like our rugby league but rugby league and darts as well".
Compare Leeds on New Year's Eve. Big party in Leeds centre with bands on, midnight firework display. In Hull no party and fireworks early on as the police and council don't want people out and about late.
Talking of the container, compare the way they have used the waterfront in Liverpool, Bristol, Plymouth, Newcastle.
The police got a lot of the bars shut in Hull and wanted those around the Marina and centre shutting on Bank Holidays to discourage drinking. This ended up with crowds for the start of the round the world yacht race and powerboat events milling about and complaining of the lack of places to eat and drink.
The boat they wanted for a nightclub was scuppered by restrictions on numbers and a ridiculous closing time (10pm for a nightclub?). It went to Bristol where it was successful.
I was in Plymouth last year. I went to the sea life centre there, which in a lot of ways I preferred to The Deep, and where the catering was far superior. Near it were eating and drinking places which on a Sunday lunchtime were heaving (and a lot of them weren't cheap). Parts of Plymouth remind me of near to Hull centre in their haphazard nature, empty spaces and roads cutting by marooned little islands of shops, probably a result of the Abercrombie plan they took over after the war. But the waterfront setting is far superior to Hull's.

No.

 

[bum_chinned_crab]

Probably. Was about 15 years ago. The dad of my lad's mate had a bright idea. Instead of him going into halls of residence of renting a flat he got a mortgage and bought an apartment overlooking the canal.for him to use. (Something not a lot could do but he had no mortgage himself and a good job). When his lad left uni he made a fantastic profit on it.

Makes sense, 15 years ago Revolution was a good place to go. Nobody would say that now.

 

[Barchullona]

I havent been in a club in about 10 years, most of the bars stay open until 6am and when they shut somewhere else opens for the day

There are some late night bars in .Hull despite the police's wish to shut them all and have everybody home by midnight. But there aren't many, and unlike Leeds, there aren't any anyone over 30 would want to be in anyway.
The Avenues, the centre of the cafe culture supposedly, is 90% shut by 11pm. Cafe Bars on the continent are where you sit down, are brought drinks in a quiet atmosphere until late and settle up when you leave after a pleasant, relaxing time. In Hull they are places where you fight at the bar for attention over the cacophony of noise before being told to leave early. Like pubs really. But higher prices because they are a "cafe bar."

 

[Trumpton Tiger.]

Great pics, thanks. I've lived in Leeds for 16 years and the change even in that time is just unbelievable. It all started from renovating Victoria Quarter and Harvey Nicholls' arrival but the way they've not let momentum die and it has snowballed since is impressive, whoever is behind it. The choice and quality of places to eat and drink is fantastic, and it'll only get better.

Ive eaten at The Man Behind The Curtain twice since it opened and since its reputation has spread after he got one star last year you now cant get a weekend evening booking in 2016. Not one single weekend sitting available. Imagine that in Hull, every single dining slot booked up for an entire year. Surely that kind of demand can only mean more high class eateries will move to the city. Thankfully I got in early before word of mouth spread.

Not impressed.
There is a butchers on Chanterlands Avenue serving steak pie, chips OR jacket spuds with gravy OR peas, and wait for it.......beans. Fridays only. £1.99.

 

[Edelman]

Can the EYRC annex Hull instead of the other way round? It isn't a partisan politics issue; our council is just full of tossers stuck in the 1970s. And criticising our council isn't synonymous with having a snide dig at Hull.

This is spot on.
Its a pop at the outdated councilors but to many take it has a pop at Hull

 

[bum_chinned_crab]

Not impressed.
There is a butchers on Chanterlands Avenue serving steak pie, chips OR jacket spuds with gravy OR peas, and wait for it.......beans. Fridays only. £1.99.

Peas / gravy AND beans?

GTF.

 

[Plum]

Peas / gravy AND beans?

GTF.

So GTF means Got To Fart...?

 

[Barchullona]

No.

No to what? Some or all of it? Or just the reference to would TG have grasped the opportunity like they did in Leeds.
One thing they did get wrong in Leeds was the trams. I was at my grandparents the night the last tram ran and went down to see it. It was lit up and the crowds were enormous. I remember my grandpa saying what daft thing it was to do and they would come to regret it. He lived off York Road half the way to Seacroft and the tram could whisk you into Leeds in 5 minutes and after getting off after a couple of minutes you could be in the large indoor market, the Victorian Arcades or all the major stores. All for a cheap price in an environmentally method of transport. Now to do the same journey takes 20 minutes to half an hour in a bus belching out fumes or a car where you then have to spend further time driving around to find somewhere to pay a fortune for the privilege of being allowed to park. Now the solution to the jams and pollution is tramways. A shame they dug them all up and tar aced over them. And heaven knows the cost nowadays of replacing it.
Trams are one of those things which make up a pleasant city. Along with pavement cafes. Probably why so many European cities kept them and have ones of various ages clanking about.

 

[HCAFC (Airlie Tiger)]

Probably. Was about 15 years ago. The dad of my lad's mate had a bright idea. Instead of him going into halls of residence of renting a flat he got a mortgage and bought an apartment overlooking the canal.for him to use. (Something not a lot could do but he had no mortgage himself and a good job). When his lad left uni he made a fantastic profit on it.

I considered doing that when I went to Uni in Leeds but decided getting on the property ladder a few years earlier wasn't worth missing out on the proper uni experience, I just bought somewhere when I graduated instead.

Plus there's zero profit to be made on city centre flats in Leeds these days, the markets saturated with them, the only people buying them now are buy to let landlords.

 

[Barchullona]

I considered doing that when I went to Uni in Leeds but decided getting on the property ladder a few years earlier wasn't worth missing out on the proper uni experience, I just bought somewhere when I graduated instead.

Plus there's zero profit to be made on city centre flats in Leeds these days, the markets saturated with them, the only people buying them now are buy to let landlords.

He didn't get on the property ladder. His dad saw an opportunity and did well out of it and saved his son money doing it. As you say, probably wouldn't work now. His mates certainly appreciated it with some great weekends there.

 

[bum_chinned_crab]

No to what? Some or all of it? Or just the reference to would TG have grasped the opportunity like they did in Leeds.
One thing they did get wrong in Leeds was the trams. I was at my grandparents the night the last tram ran and went down to see it. It was lit up and the crowds were enormous. I remember my grandpa saying what daft thing it was to do and they would come to regret it. He lived off York Road half the way to Seacroft and the tram could whisk you into Leeds in 5 minutes and after getting off after a couple of minutes you could be in the large indoor market, the Victorian Arcades or all the major stores. All for a cheap price in an environmentally method of transport. Now to do the same journey takes 20 minutes to half an hour in a bus belching out fumes or a car where you then have to spend further time driving around to find somewhere to pay a fortune for the privilege of being allowed to park. Now the solution to the jams and pollution is tramways. A shame they dug them all up and tar aced over them. And heaven knows the cost nowadays of replacing it.
Trams are one of those things which make up a pleasant city. Along with pavement cafes. Probably why so many European cities kept them and have ones of various ages clanking about.

Rumour has it - not started by me - that Leeds is the biggest city in Europe without a dedicated transport system.

 

[originallambrettaman]

I considered doing that when I went to Uni in Leeds but decided getting on the property ladder a few years earlier wasn't worth missing out on the proper uni experience, I just bought somewhere when I graduated instead.

Plus there's zero profit to be made on city centre flats in Leeds these days, the markets saturated with them, the only people buying them now are buy to let landlords.

I looked at this when my daughter went to Uni, she did a year in Leeds, then three years in Manchester, but they were building so much stuff it made me nervous (particularly as I'd recently caught a cold with a new-build in London), so I didn't bother.

Turned out it was a good move, there was no real increase in prices while she was there and I'd have gone to a load of effort for nothing.

As Castro says, it was probably a good idea when the developments first started, but not now.

 

[Barchullona]

I looked at this when my daughter went to Uni, she did a year in Leeds, then three years in Manchester, but they were building so much stuff it made me nervous (particularly as I'd recently caught a cold with a new-build in London), so I didn't bother.

Turned out it was a good move, there was no real increase in prices while she was there and I'd have gone to a load of effort for nothing.

As Castro says, it was probably a good idea when the developments first started, but not now.

To be fair, he isn't the type of bloke who,approached it with a view to making money on it. He did it to help his lad and was lucky in the way it turned out.

 

[HCAFC (Airlie Tiger)]

I looked at this when my daughter went to Uni, she did a year in Leeds, then three years in Manchester, but they were building so much stuff it made me nervous (particularly as I'd recently caught a cold with a new-build in London), so I didn't bother.

Turned out it was a good move, there was no real increase in prices while she was there and I'd have gone to a load of effort for nothing.

As Castro says, it was probably a good idea when the developments first started, but not now.

Its amazing how fast these developments spring up, in Manchester was Ancoats and the area towards Eastlands, in Leeds it was Clarence Dock and its now heading out towards East Street. It makes you wonder how long it can carry on.

You only have to browse the property websites to see how many are for sale and are listed a month later at a knock down price, like you say it doesn't seem to be a wise investment any more.

 

[bum_chinned_crab]

Its amazing how fast these developments spring up, in Manchester was Ancoats and the area towards Eastlands, in Leeds it was Clarence Dock and its now heading out towards East Street. It makes you wonder how long it can carry on.

You only have to browse the property websites to see how many are for sale and are listed a month later at a knock down price, like you say it doesn't seem to be a wise investment any more.

Clarence Dock - or Leeds Dock as it's now called - is the one massive error of Leeds developments. It's like a ruddy ghost town.

 

[DMD]

No to what? Some or all of it? Or just the reference to would TG have grasped the opportunity like they did in Leeds.
One thing they did get wrong in Leeds was the trams. I was at my grandparents the night the last tram ran and went down to see it. It was lit up and the crowds were enormous. I remember my grandpa saying what daft thing it was to do and they would come to regret it. He lived off York Road half the way to Seacroft and the tram could whisk you into Leeds in 5 minutes and after getting off after a couple of minutes you could be in the large indoor market, the Victorian Arcades or all the major stores. All for a cheap price in an environmentally method of transport. Now to do the same journey takes 20 minutes to half an hour in a bus belching out fumes or a car where you then have to spend further time driving around to find somewhere to pay a fortune for the privilege of being allowed to park. Now the solution to the jams and pollution is tramways. A shame they dug them all up and tar aced over them. And heaven knows the cost nowadays of replacing it.
Trams are one of those things which make up a pleasant city. Along with pavement cafes. Probably why so many European cities kept them and have ones of various ages clanking about.

Yes.

 

[DMD]

This is spot on.
Its a pop at the outdated councilors but to many take it has a pop at Hull

A fair amount of the whining g has turned out to be sod all to do with the council. All this comparison to Leeds seems to ignore the external funding gifted to Leeds which then brought private investors.

Some large developments had to overcome issues with local businesses fearful of loosing staff to bether pay and conditions.

It's worth scratching below the soundbites and twitter snippets some offer.

 

[Barchullona]

Yes.

Don't give an answer then.

 

[Barchullona]

A fair amount of the whining g has turned out to be sod all to do with the council. All this comparison to Leeds seems to ignore the external funding gifted to Leeds which then brought private investors.

Some large developments had to overcome issues with local businesses fearful of loosing staff to bether pay and conditions.

It's worth scratching below the soundbites and twitter snippets some offer.

Having decent New Year celebrations and granting extended licences for pubs and clubs and not putting obstacles in the way is down to councils though.

 

[DMD]

Don't give an answer then.

To be fair, you say the same thing so many times, and I've answered it before, so it hardly seemed worth doing it again. I thought a few words were easier for you to ignore than a longer answer.

Maybe you should just code your stock posts for brevity

Ypu tbi k Hull closes early = ref a
Leeds is ace = ref 2
Ignore the **** ups elsewhere = ref 3

Etc etc...