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Mr. Hat said:
Completely off topic here but today I learned the modern word fascism derived from the Latin word fasciae which were the bundles of twigs Roman magistrates used to wrap round their axes.

It's funny how words evolve over time.
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Yeah, a fasces was a symbol of a Roman magistrates authority and power. A lictor was someone who carried the fasces for a magistrate and the more lictors carrying bundles the higher the office of the magistrate. Dictators had 24 lictors/fasces, consuls twelve, proconsuls eleven, praetor six, propraetor five and aediles two. The axes had to be taken out in the most sacred part of Rome (soldiers weren't allowed to wear their red capes there either). Mussolini used the fasces as a symbol because it represented state authority and the importance of imperial strength, the core principles of fascism.

Fascism isn't inherently anti-Semitic either. Mussolini didn't care about race until 1938 when Hitler made a big fuss over it. If you were devoted to the state and the fascist ideology, race didn't matter. Jews and Ethiopians were active members of the National Fascist Party until 1938 and even Mussolini's mistress was a Jew. I don't think Mussolini bought into the biological racialism of National Socialism at all and was quite offended when Hitler ranked Mediterraneans below Germanic peoples in the Aryan hierarchy.
 
Bret Dilkington said:
Yeah, a fasces was a symbol of a Roman magistrates authority and power. A lictor was someone who carried the fasces for a magistrate and the more lictors carrying bundles the higher the office of the magistrate. Dictators had 24 lictors/fasces, consuls twelve, proconsuls eleven, praetor six, propraetor five and aediles two. The axes had to be taken out in the most sacred part of Rome (soldiers weren't allowed to wear their red capes there either). Mussolini used the fasces as a symbol because it represented state authority and the importance of imperial strength, the core principles of fascism.
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Yeah, although there's a fair bit going on in between. The word fasci in Italian was used in the 19th century to describe certain groups of people and 'fascismo' was already used to described the group Mussolini took over before he did (which was surprisingly left wing). It's a fascinating evolution.
 
Mr. Hat said:
Yeah, although there's a fair bit going on in between. The word fasci in Italian was used in the 19th century to describe certain groups of people and 'fascismo' was already used to described the group Mussolini took over before he did (which was surprisingly left wing). It's a fascinating evolution.
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Mussolini was a Marxist at one point. His view of fascism incorporated elements of guild socialism and advocated a harmonious relationship between workers and corporations. He abandoned his Marxist internationalism and became a radical Italian ultranationalist which gave way to Italian fascism. A lot of the early Nazis were left-wing (economically, at least) and were called Strasserists. They were mostly purged during the Knight of the Long Knives as they favoured a more working-class, anti-capitalist revolution in German politics whilst Hitler was appealing to the conservative middle and upper-classes. Fascinating stuff really.
 
We always like to have a load of cheap labour coming. Been a big political thing for a few weeks. No no no no. Picture of a dead child. We'll have to do somthing....let em all in.
 
I have no problem with people seeking safety. It's a basic human right. It's just strange how many safe countries they pass through on the way to our safe country with all the bells and whistles of our benefit system. I don't blame them whatsoever, if I had done the hard work of escaping Syria and making it into Europe, why settle for just safety in another European country when you can have so much more for nothing in Britain? It would be a no brainer if I was in their shoes. We have no political backbone in England, and a generation of politically correct apologists. It's never going to change, that's why I ****ed off to Australia.
 
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Mr. Hat said:
Completely off topic here but today I learned the modern word fascism derived from the Latin word fasciae which were the bundles of twigs Roman magistrates used to wrap round their axes.

It's funny how words evolve over time.
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A fascine is a long ***got (bundle of twigs or branches) used for lining a trench. The fascists did that alright.
 
Bret Dilkington said:
A lot of the early Nazis were left-wing (economically, at least) and were called Strasserists. They were mostly purged during the Knight of the Long Knives as they favoured a more working-class, anti-capitalist revolution in German politics whilst Hitler was appealing to the conservative middle and upper-classes. Fascinating stuff really.
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Er, Night of the Long Knives.

Unless this thread closes I am taking this back to the Crusades, to the Teutonic Order, to the Holy Roman Empire, to Napoleon Buonaparte's occupation of Berlin, to that big gob Johann Gottlieb Fichte, to Bismarck, Queen Victoria's grandchild Der Kaiser, Nietzsche, Richard Wagner, Guido von List, and that crackpot Jorg Lans von Liebefels. I'll intoduce the concepts of Novemberverbrecher and Riechsfeinden. When we've dealt with all those and put German Nationalism in its true place we'll better understand lebensraum, Hitler and his Nazi thugs.
 
We've got people trying to leave for Syria and being brought back and people trying to get in from Syria being turned away. Strange world we live in...
 
This thread is saying "please close me". I think the mods have it on ignore!
 
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