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Who are we to question a superior being to us? Yes - God chose some people to be prophets and some others weren't. Your idea of what is just, my idea of what is just and God's idea of what is just may all differentiate.

I'm sorry, but that's just ridiculous.
The point doesn't stand upon anyone's judgement, it's just a clear case of injustice.
Giving some people a free pass to heaven and then sending others to hell for not having the same information to work from isn't just, however you look at it.

you'd still be asking the same questions if God had chosen other people to be prophets.

Because the point would still be the same.
It's not about who's been chosen or not, it's that some people have and others haven't.

If the courts were to get two people that had committed the same offence together and jail one, but let the other go free, then that would be a clear injustice, wouldn't it?
Why would this be any different?

Completely missing the point or what?

No.
The point that god, who is supposedly perfect and omnipotent, could have a last resort is missing several.

God had told Adam and Eve to stay away from a particular tree. That signifies that they knew they should not go near somewhere which they were forbidden from, as it was wrong and God told them not to.

And they had no concept of right and wrong, as they hadn't eaten the fruit yet.
He also lied to them about what would happen if they did.

This links back to what I was saying about God allowing us to have limited knowledge. We do not know the complexity of God or how much power which he has. In a way, yes, God knows what choices we have in life and knows the potential outcomes of our actions, and God wants to see which decisions humans make.

He also knows which decisions we'll make, so what's the point?

In some ways, you are correct, but you need to understand that God does not assert his supremacy over us by making us puppet-like and doing whatever he would like us to do. We have rules which as Muslims we should adhere to and follow because it's God's will. God wants to test our loyalty and see how wise our decisions are. He can give us free-will, whether you believe it or not. God is fully aware of our thoughts and feelings - but he does not dictate our actions.

If he dictates who we are, our surroundings and can influence anything and everything in the world, then he clearly does dictate our actions.

Also the universe has not always existed. It did start at some point and scientists don't have any substantial evidence to the explosion of light and matter.

The universe had a start for this current form.
It's unknown whether it existed in a different form before that.

If you're suggesting that scientists don't have substantial evidence to prove that the gist of the big bang theory is correct, then you're wrong.
 
Thats a mainly christian argument tbf. Which is what most debates on theism v athiesm end up as
The quran and hadiths do deal with the question

in simple terms its beyond the 'creations'/mans understanding. simply because we see creation as being like us. wheras a creator has to be nothing like his creation
eg a table doesnt look like a carpenter

Claiming that we can't understand it isn't an answer, it's avoiding the question.
 
The other thing about us not being able to understand god is that you're saying that god created us and chose not to give us the ability to understand him.
 
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The other thing about us not being able to understand god is that you're saying that god created us and chose not to give us the ability to understand him.

He gave lucifer a greater understanding and look what happened
 
He gave lucifer a greater understanding and look what happened

You'd have to prove that Lucifer exists for this to be true, but even if it was, are you suggesting that he made a mistake?
Surely a perfect being wouldn't make a mistake, especially as he'd know that he was going to do it?
 
You'd have to prove that Lucifer exists for this to be true, but even if it was, are you suggesting that he made a mistake?
Surely a perfect being wouldn't make a mistake, especially as he'd know that he was going to do it?

Lucifer/Satan/The Devil doesn't exist and Hell doesn't exist. That is another issue I have with religion. They preach that God is all forgiving so if that were the case there would be no need for Hell as it is seen as a punishment.
 
Lucifer/Satan/The Devil doesn't exist and Hell doesn't exist. That is another issue I have with religion. They preach that God is all forgiving so if that were the case there would be no need for Hell as it is seen as a punishment.

I agree Jack
I'm not religious
However sometimes you do hope that such a afterlife exists so bastards like Ian Huntley and Roy Whiting truly face real Justice instead of spending the rest of their lives in a comfy jail while the victims families will never see their loved ones agian.
 
I agree Jack
I'm not religious
However sometimes you do hope that such a afterlife exists so bastards like Ian Huntley and Roy Whiting truly face real Justice instead of spending the rest of their lives in a comfy jail while the victims families will never see their loved ones agian.

Don't worry, when I come to power the prisons will become much harsher. EU Human Rights Commission be damned
 
I agree Jack
I'm not religious
However sometimes you do hope that such a afterlife exists so bastards like Ian Huntley and Roy Whiting truly face real Justice instead of spending the rest of their lives in a comfy jail while the victims families will never see their loved ones agian.

Huntley's life in prison is hardly comfy. <laugh>
 
What he suffers in prison will never ever compare to what he did those girls and the pain he caused their families.

Very true. But you can't describe trying to be killed in prison as having a comfy time. That **** has to watch over his shoulder for the rest of his life.