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thefanwithnoname said:
based on what we know

energy certainly doesnt just appear.
as for matter - based on what we know it cannot just appear from nowhere. It has to have a source and besides there is no set definition of matter
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Yes, based upon what we know, matter and energy just exist and do not have an overall source.
There has been no evidence to suggest that either 'came from somewhere', as you seem to be suggesting, other than somewhere else in the universe.
They aren't magicked into existence by an invisible, intangible deity, as far as we can see.
 
thefanwithnoname said:
Anjem works from what I understand. As I said I can arrange a meeting for you to ask hi directly if you wish

as for me, I never claimed i despise this state
and I spend less time on here than you I think

are you on the dole?
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Mr Choudary claims a lot of money in benefits, from a state which he despises.
His 'job' allows him to do this without having to look for work, which makes him both a sponger and a hypocrite.
You seem to have avoided the question about whether you share a similar non-job.

I've worked full-time for many years, relative to my age.
 
thefanwithnoname said:
No proof whatsoever that has not been debunked.

I suggest you phrase the question. You obviously know what I am asking.
make a few suggestions and we will agree to go with one if we can
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What has been debunked?
By who and what have they said?
You seem to think that just claiming that something has been debunked is proof, for some reason.

I don't know what you're asking.
Rephrase it.
As you know what you're asking, it shouldn't be hard.
 
PleaseNotPoll said:
Yes, based upon what we know, matter and energy just exist and do not have an overall source.
There has been no evidence to suggest that either 'came from somewhere', as you seem to be suggesting, other than somewhere else in the universe.
They aren't magicked into existence by an invisible, intangible deity, as far as we can see.
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wrong I am afraid

whilst there is no general definition of matter, it is accepted as something that occupies space and has mass and volume. anything fitting that description that just 'appears' is magicked into existence from what we know

energy also has to be 'created'
 
PleaseNotPoll said:
Mr Choudary claims a lot of money in benefits, from a state which he despises.
His 'job' allows him to do this without having to look for work, which makes him both a sponger and a hypocrite.
You seem to have avoided the question about whether you share a similar non-job.

I've worked full-time for many years, relative to my age.
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I dont sign on/get housing etc. I work but not 9-5

We had the debate regarding anjem before, As i said I know the guy and he is not a sponger. He does get child benefit etc but doesnt sign on

You just seem to be on here a lot. If its during work time to me that is as bad as being on here and not working

As i said I can arrange for you to meet anjem and ask him
 
PleaseNotPoll said:
What has been debunked?
By who and what have they said?
You seem to think that just claiming that something has been debunked is proof, for some reason.

I don't know what you're asking.
Rephrase it.
As you know what you're asking, it shouldn't be hard.
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All the stuff you provided as 'proof' has been debunked

If you dont know what I am asking then why have you been responding with so called 'evidences' and not simply asking for clarification

As i said I want to know about the source/origin/creation of the universe. You phrase it to fat you feel fits
and we will start from there
 
thefanwithnoname said:
wrong I am afraid

whilst there is no general definition of matter, it is accepted as something that occupies space and has mass and volume. anything fitting that description that just 'appears' is magicked into existence from what we know

energy also has to be 'created'
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Nothing that you've written here is true, apart from the bit about the definition of matter.
I've not claimed that anything has just appeared, either.
 
PNEawf said:
Prove it is majicked.


It appears from nowhere

Tada magic

Again you show a complete ignorance of science. Look up the Law of Conservation of Energy. Energy CANNOT be created. It cannot be destroyed. It can only be changed from one form to another.
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needs a source?
without mass enegy is 0 no?
 
thefanwithnoname said:
We had the debate regarding anjem before, As i said I know the guy and he is not a sponger. He does get child benefit etc but doesnt sign on
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He gets about £25k pa in benefits and claims to hate the state that supports him.
That's a lot more than child benefit and he's quite clearly a massive hypocrite.

thefanwithnoname said:
You just seem to be on here a lot. If its during work time to me that is as bad as being on here and not working
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So despite not knowing what I do for a living, you've decided that my time upon here may impact upon my job.
It doesn't.
Sorry.

thefanwithnoname said:
As i said I can arrange for you to meet anjem and ask him
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He dodges the question when being asked by journalists.
I don't think that he'd answer me somehow, do you?
 
PleaseNotPoll said:
He gets about £25k pa in benefits and claims to hate the state that supports him.
That's a lot more than child benefit and he's quite clearly a massive hypocrite.



So despite not knowing what I do for a living, you've decided that my time upon here may impact upon my job.
It doesn't.
Sorry.



He dodges the question when being asked by journalists.
I don't think that he'd answer me somehow, do you?
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All false I am afraid.

There is a youtube clip where he does answer the question. He is being interviewed by a woman

And I have asked him personally

Do you want me to arrange a meeting?
 
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