You are probably wise to leave religion out of it because religion has no 'safe ground' and that alone is probably quite safe ground for atheists. Remember that the onus is on those who spout religion to prove it, not the other way around. You asked people to give arguments why 'creation' didn't happen which is ridiculous. If I said there are fairys at the bottom of my garden would you feel the responsibility was on you to prove there aren't. No. It's your daft belief so why don't you try to prove it to us?
I disagree. You frequently seem to fail to understand people's replies and/or the scientific arguments that are put forward. You don't argue against them, but fail to understand what they mean.
This has been an interesting read over the past couple of days. My thing is this, the OP asks Atheists to prove how life began if not by god. As an Atheist, I couldn't actually give a toss. You see I am an Atheist because I simply don't believe in god or gods. It's not through choice it's just the way it is. That doesn't mean I am legally obliged to come up with an alternative. But, should the law change I would probably go for the Flying Spaghetti Monster. Seems as likely as any other god.
as mentioned we have been through this we got here because of a creator. what created the creator? that is indeed a debate, however it does not negate a creator You cannot answer how the universe was created but it exists
the OP was what the athiests theories were. Not a claim or theories to what I thought I did not claim that creation did/did not happen.
and i think you are wrong. there may be occassions where misunderstanding has taken place, but that is to be expected on a forum imo I see a lot of 'beating around the bush' and attempts to 'muddy the waters' and links to wikkipaedia The arguments put forward are flawed simple as that
As I said, Atheists don't have to have any theories about the origins of the Universe. As an Atheist I don't know and quite frankly, don't care. Atheism isn't an alternative belief system to god as such. It's just people who don't actually believe in gods of any form. Just as I don't believe in the Loch Ness Monster, ghosts, tarot cards, fairies and Father Christmas. And I don't have to have an alternative to them either.
TFWNN About three days ago on this thread (!) I suggested you read up on cosmology. The reason I did so was because I believed it would give you a better grasp of the subject at hand. If you had taken me up on the offer you would realise that the way the universe "works" at a molecular level is very different from the way it does at a macroscopic level. At that level, where scientists study the origin of the universe for example, things pop in and out of existence all the time. As yet, there is no concrete evidence as to why that happens. Light acts differently at that level too. As does gravity. As do a million and one other things. Your whole basis of "something exists, therefore there must be a creator" goes completely out the window. This is the very basic building blocks of the universe we are talking about here and scientists cannot explain why something exists or where they came from. Your argument is flawed I'm afraid. In fact, it's undone by the very thing you argue in favour of: a creator. In quantum physics it seems it is perfectly reasonable for something to come into existence without being created by some external force. It is possible for a single light beam to split and be in two places at once. The more we look into the "creation" of the universe the more we see that things are illogical and may never even be explainable. Did someone or some thing create the universe? I simply don't know. But so far there is no evidence to suggest that there was and until there is proof, even anecdotal evidence, I will continue to believe that there is no such thing as a creator, be it spiritual or physical.
