After much head scratching & googling - is this anything to do with the two Apprentice finalists both winning the prize?
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Very true - and neither does it mention the issue of 'no room at the inn', nor that of the birth having to take place in a stable. It's funny what our kids get force fed with...The Bible includes no reference to animals at the holy scene.
I'm sure there must have been some mice in the stable, not to mention spidersVery true - and neither does it mention the issue of 'no room at the inn', nor that of the birth having to take place in a stable. It's funny what our kids get force fed with...
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You are of course perfectly right Theo - why do we consider ourselves as not belonging to the animal Kingdom ? Surely this is a type of speciesism - and why 'Kingdom', surely this is a bit sexist ? But there is a little bit of the bible in most of us or why do we not consider ourselves as a variety of ape ?What about Mary, Joseph, the three shepherds. the three wise men...that's 8 examples of one kind of animal!![]()
Well there was no stable mentioned, so that puts paid to Mighty Mouse & Spiderman.I'm sure there must have been some mice in the stable, not to mention spiders![]()
What about Mary, Joseph, the three shepherds. the three wise men...that's 8 examples of one kind of animal!![]()

Mrs H says that in Luke it says she gave birth to her first born son. She wrapped him in swaddling clothes and laid him in a manger because there was no room (though the original Greek can also mean upper room) in the inn. I'm not arguing with herVery true - and neither does it mention the issue of 'no room at the inn', nor that of the birth having to take place in a stable. It's funny what our kids get force fed with...
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And I've just directed/choreographed one which had lambs, a donkey and camels along with numerous angels, numerous dancing stars, a talking star, talking snowflakes and a very disgruntled, talking snowman. In my defence, I can only go with the materials I'm given - and don't necessarily see them as 'gospel'.Well anyway, I've seen our grandson's nativity play and there were sheep (he was a particularly impressive example!), cows, a donkey, a cat and a dog...not to mention miscellaneous humans. If his teacher says that's how it was, I'm not arguing. She's a formidable woman...![]()

All very confusing really - in Matthew's gospel they were already living in Bethlehem, but Luke went into great detail about a journey to Bethlehem. Who know?Mrs H says that in Luke it says she gave birth to her first born son. She wrapped him in swaddling clothes and laid him in a manger because there was no room (though the original Greek can also mean upper room) in the inn. I'm not arguing with her
She does say the business about going to Bethlehem is fiction and included only because the OT says he would be born in the City of David. They were Nazerenes so they'd have no reason to go Bethlehem for a census for which there's no historical evidence at all.
And I've just directed/choreographed one which had lambs, a donkey and camels along with numerous angels, numerous dancing stars, a talking star, talking snowflakes and a very disgruntled, talking snowman. In my defence, I can only go with the materials I'm given - and don't necessarily see them as 'gospel'.
Thankfully, those materials weren't based on this version from Matthew -
And behold, suddenly many dragons came out of the cave … Then the Lord, even though he was not yet two years old, roused himself, got to his feet, and stood in front of them. And the dragons worshipped him. When they finished worshipping him, they went away … So too both lions and leopards were worshipping him and accompanying him in the desert … showing them the way and being subject to them; and bowing their heads with great reverence they showed their servitude by wagging their tails.Although I suspect the kids would have loved it...
All very confusing really - in Matthew's gospel they were already living in Bethlehem, but Luke went into great detail about a journey to Bethlehem. Who know?
Personally, being an atheist I don't believe any of it...![]()