Progress under LR
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Possibly, but it’d have to be a careful appointment/recruitment in my eyes.
The last thing the club needs is a figure who isn’t going to get 100% behind how LR wants the squad to develop.
I was saying an experienced CB might be beneficial to hold the team together during a bad run - but actually as we are performing well on the pitch that might not be as needed as I thought.
I’m prepared to wait and see what happens over the course of the season (and possibly the start of next) before I work out where this squad and manager are heading.
You're right, it would have to be an extremely careful appointment as if its the wrong one it would be a disaster all round. Hopefully ( am Im sure he has ) LR has people in the game he can turn to for advice, I just hope he listens when he's told what he needs to hear as opposed to what he wants to hear, as it can be very difficult for people.
As for waiting for the rest of the season and possibly the start of next, it's very easy to say that ( and anything we all say on here ) when it's not your/our money sunk into the club...will and can Acun (afford to) be that patient?
I don’t like the way we play and I think it’s very quickly become outdated since the whole world seemed to try copy teams like Man City and Brighton.
Positional play is so boring to watch and easier to defend against, especially when it’s done at the tempo we play.
I’m not sure how deep you guys are into football tactics and philosophy but dynamic/relational football is becoming the “in” thing right now and it’s so much more entertaining to watch. Teams like Fluminense are probably the most extreme version of it however Spurs also incorporate a lot of the same principles and look at them flying
Basically lots of movement, give and go’s, players not having to stick to their designated position. It’s the total opposite to positional play where everything is robotic and symmetrical.
I worry LR only has one way of setting up a team, it’s bad enough not getting results but it’s even worse when it’s not particularly entertaining either
Positional play is so boring to watch and easier to defend against, especially when it’s done at the tempo we play.
I’m not sure how deep you guys are into football tactics and philosophy but dynamic/relational football is becoming the “in” thing right now and it’s so much more entertaining to watch. Teams like Fluminense are probably the most extreme version of it however Spurs also incorporate a lot of the same principles and look at them flying
Basically lots of movement, give and go’s, players not having to stick to their designated position. It’s the total opposite to positional play where everything is robotic and symmetrical.
I worry LR only has one way of setting up a team, it’s bad enough not getting results but it’s even worse when it’s not particularly entertaining either
I guess it depends on how much he’s interested in promotion this season. If he’s prepared to NOT go up this year, as long as performances on the pitch don’t drop off and we remain competitive and not a million miles off the play offs, I don’t se the issue.
I do think that this season will be a hard one to get out of, but next year is already looking a touch easier with how poor some of the struggling PL teams look and no obvious Ipswich from League 1.
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Kalman
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Rosenior steadied a sinking ship that was Arveladze's tenure. He's had his summer to get his squad and then prepare them in pre-season according to his methods. I think, on balance, we are pretty average. A mid-table team, as Howden says. We fall into the same bracket as Stoke and Brum.
Our midfield still lacks bite, our full-backs are very inconsistent and despite our possession philosophy, most of our goals come from moments of individual brilliance. We struggle to break teams down and recently, we look shaky at the back as well.
I think Rosenior dropped a massive bollock not signing a defensive mid and letting Estupiñán leave without a replacement already in the door. Call it naivety or arrogance or whatever thinking he didn't need to sign those players but he ****ed up massively on that front.
I'm not a fan of sacking managers mid-season barring a disastrous run of form that requires immediate intervention to get us out the **** so I'm content to have him as manager until May at the very least but if he falls below expectation in his first full season, I think he should probably go and Acun needs to put nostalgia and sentimentality aside and hire the best possible candidate he can. He's hired his mate for the job and then an inexperienced former player as a manager. I questioned Rosenior's appointment in the first place as we went from being linked with Pedro Martins, Carlos Corberán, Carlos Carvalhal etc. to a former player who had a short stint as the #1 at a League 1 club before being let go.
Our midfield still lacks bite, our full-backs are very inconsistent and despite our possession philosophy, most of our goals come from moments of individual brilliance. We struggle to break teams down and recently, we look shaky at the back as well.
I think Rosenior dropped a massive bollock not signing a defensive mid and letting Estupiñán leave without a replacement already in the door. Call it naivety or arrogance or whatever thinking he didn't need to sign those players but he ****ed up massively on that front.
I'm not a fan of sacking managers mid-season barring a disastrous run of form that requires immediate intervention to get us out the **** so I'm content to have him as manager until May at the very least but if he falls below expectation in his first full season, I think he should probably go and Acun needs to put nostalgia and sentimentality aside and hire the best possible candidate he can. He's hired his mate for the job and then an inexperienced former player as a manager. I questioned Rosenior's appointment in the first place as we went from being linked with Pedro Martins, Carlos Corberán, Carlos Carvalhal etc. to a former player who had a short stint as the #1 at a League 1 club before being let go.
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I don’t enjoy the style of play but could live with it if it was delivering regular wins, particularly at home to keep the floaters and new fans happy. However I do think he should get the rest of the season unless things go disastrously wrong and we end up mired in a relegation scrap
Fortunately I don't think we'll ever be in danger of a relegation scrap with LR but on the flip side of that, unfortunately I don't ever think we'll be in a promotion scarp under LR either
Things will either click and he'll turn us into world beaters before being poached by a bigger club, or he'll have a successful career leading teams to mid table mediocrity. I don't think he's crap but he's not yet shown any suggestions that he can guide a team to promotion either.
I see progress all round.
We have better players.
We have a better management team.
We play better football*
We have shown a more measured approach to recruitment.
*Although the standard of football will be considered better it doesn’t mean I don’t whince each time we play it around at the back, moreso when it’s across our 6 yard box.
I don’t find it a comfortable watch although I have convinced myself it’s a generation issue going against how we were taught to play the game.
The biggest problem I see at the minute is consistency in games. We had a neutral with us on Saturday & he was surprised at how we, as he put it, “play like Brazil one minute & San Marino the next”.
We have the style, we have the players, we need consistency. I’d like to think this will come. Experience may help but, at the minute, improving fitness wold be a start.
We have better players.
We have a better management team.
We play better football*
We have shown a more measured approach to recruitment.
*Although the standard of football will be considered better it doesn’t mean I don’t whince each time we play it around at the back, moreso when it’s across our 6 yard box.
I don’t find it a comfortable watch although I have convinced myself it’s a generation issue going against how we were taught to play the game.
The biggest problem I see at the minute is consistency in games. We had a neutral with us on Saturday & he was surprised at how we, as he put it, “play like Brazil one minute & San Marino the next”.
We have the style, we have the players, we need consistency. I’d like to think this will come. Experience may help but, at the minute, improving fitness wold be a start.
Your last line is worrying considering how much emphasis was based on fitness by LR during pre season
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Kalman
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Spurs under Postecoglou have to be one of the most entertaining teams to watch right now. They play with inverted full-backs but not ones that slot in as defensive midfielders but get up the pitch and tuck inside the wingers. Udogie and Porro constantly get forward on the inside of Spurs' wingers. Maddison is constantly moving, dropping deep, carrying the ball forward etc. and Bissouma is like a better version of Seri except more athletic and better defensively.
We need a win at home sharpish to keep the crowd (and owner) happy.
3 More points and we wouldn't be having this conversation. The job Rossie did last season was fantastic and whilst never 100% there was a huge risk of us going down and we didn't. We have played some of the most fancied teams already and rarely been outplayed, I enjoy the football we play and it is only going to get better.
Full faith in Rosenior - We can't win every game.
Full faith in Rosenior - We can't win every game.
I watched their game last night and I absolutely loved it. I personally love watching fast paced, fluid, attacking football even if it means we concede more. I go to football to be entertained and enjoy myself. The current style of play for me is not entertaining, I actually find it boring, slow and spend longer looking at the scores on my phone than I do the actual match at the minute.
We all have our footballing ideals, Rosie clearly has his and some people are a fan of it. I personally don't think the majority of City fans want to watch this style. We are a working class city who pay money to be entertained and I feel we need a style to match that.
Jesus. You selected the 1st 12 games of the season to make a point, I selected the last 6 games to make a different point. The only non-selective stats would be comparing all Shota's matches against all Rosenior's, but as that would show a definite improvement I can understand why you picked a different metric.
Spot on.
It's a shame Liam isn't delivering what I would call good football. Everything else is great at the moment, from the owner to the growing attendance numbers. But at the end of the day I'm just not enjoying the style of play.
Also this talk of "3 more points and we wouldn't be having these conversations" is nonsense. We were having these conversations weeks ago when we were 4th in the league.
End of the day we're all allowed our opinions and it's a good percentage of fans that don't enjoy rosie-ball..
It's a shame Liam isn't delivering what I would call good football. Everything else is great at the moment, from the owner to the growing attendance numbers. But at the end of the day I'm just not enjoying the style of play.
Also this talk of "3 more points and we wouldn't be having these conversations" is nonsense. We were having these conversations weeks ago when we were 4th in the league.
End of the day we're all allowed our opinions and it's a good percentage of fans that don't enjoy rosie-ball..
I'd give him two games..,.rosieball will not keep 20000+ coming for much longer
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Kalman
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Funny thing is, Postecoglou’s style is still based around possession and playing out from the back with short passes. So is McKenna’s. They just play at a quicker tempo and move the ball into forward areas quicker than we do.
Rosenior’s style reminds me of Phillip Cocu when he was at Derby. It’s just tedious football. It’s probably where he learned it from as Rosenior worked under Cocu.
Roseniorball is jus Cocuball MKII.
Believe it or not I picked the first 12 games of this season and the first 12 of last season because...... We have played 12 games this season so far and it's a straight comparison
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