This is a brilliant response. I was going to vote SNP, sadly there aren't many candidates here in Mallorca!
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I think SNP will experience a resurgence. I was disappointed that Sturgeon walked away from the party and that they suffered such a reverse against Starmer in the general election. The UK needs a credible progressive party , especially as Labour have failed to deliver the kind of changes people who voted for them expected. I think John Swinney has done an excellent job since taking control of the SNP,
I am hoping that the SNP retain control in Scotland and hopefully the Greens can start to assert themselves in England. It is an exciting time in British politics as progressive parties are again starting to define the agenda and seem preferable to many to the three, mainstream parties who have not really delivered.
I am hoping that the SNP retain control in Scotland and hopefully the Greens can start to assert themselves in England. It is an exciting time in British politics as progressive parties are again starting to define the agenda and seem preferable to many to the three, mainstream parties who have not really delivered.
Everyone gets into a lather about the Reform Party. Some on here with partners who are not white have expressed concern about a possible rise in racism should Reform get a stronger grip on this country. I don't know if that would happen but I'm certainly not telling them what they should and shouldn't worry about, especially when it comes to their loved ones. No peaceful person in this country should live in fear because of their colour, ethnicity or religion and anyone who threatens those citizens, including members of Reform, deserves to be severely punished.
Having said all that, there is a political party gaining popularity in this country that is potentially far worse than Reform. The Green Party have turned from a respected environmental pressure group into a coalition of extremist nut jobs and gullible lefty idealists. Their new found popularity should be a cause of huge concern in this country but I fear their rise is far from over.
This post isn't to deflect away from any racism within Reform, as I have already said anyone who threatens others, in whatever form, deserves to be severely punished. But IMO the Greens are already worse than Reform and have the capability to go further.
Having said all that, there is a political party gaining popularity in this country that is potentially far worse than Reform. The Green Party have turned from a respected environmental pressure group into a coalition of extremist nut jobs and gullible lefty idealists. Their new found popularity should be a cause of huge concern in this country but I fear their rise is far from over.
This post isn't to deflect away from any racism within Reform, as I have already said anyone who threatens others, in whatever form, deserves to be severely punished. But IMO the Greens are already worse than Reform and have the capability to go further.
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Much to your credit Ides, I can never be sure if you are being serious or not.
As for voting for the SNP, you would only regret it if you could. A bigger bunch of self serving, incompetent cretins would be hard to find.
Gullible lefty idealists FFS .
Do you have any idea how insulting that is ?
No such thing as gullible righty idealists then ?
I just started looking at this section again .
Lots of people who are acting their shoe size instead of their age !
It should only be insulting to gullible lefty idealists.
When I first came to post on this board it was a reply to Thumwood who said anyone who didn't vote for Corbyn was gullible to believe the smears in the press. So you have him to thank for me being here since.
Whenever voters of any other party are mentioned on here it's usually accompanied by insults to their intelligence or in the case of Brexit they are both thick and racist. In fact anyone who holds a different view to the gang are usually treated to a list of their deficiencies. I have seen no one calling them out at any time for their insults. So no such thing as a lefty insulter then?
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IOAG
I do not agree with a lot of what you say but I think that is a good post. You are correct that the Greens have changed alot from what they originally were and it is true that they have done a rubbish job with vetting candidates. Your post makes a lot of sense.
However, I think that you have only identified part of the issue. People find the Greens appealing for the simple reason Labour no longer really represent who they should be. Like it or not , people on the Left genuinely loved Corbyn. Their ideals have been betrayed by Starmer.
I also think that the Left V Right argument regarding class has now vanished. The positions now reflect cultural as opposed to class issues.
However, I do feel you have missed a big point which is that Islam is now a massive factor in British politics. The Right criticise Muslims for not integrating unto UK society yet , here we are , and British Muslims are engaging in the politics in the UK after waking up to the fact that no political party looks after their interests. I think that the Greens are exploiting this but ,ultimately, Muslims will want a strong political party which represents their values and cultural conerns.
I think Muslim support fir the Greens will only last as long as they do not have their own political party. I can see British Hezbollah / Party of God and genuinely think that Muslim MPs will create a very powerful block. This block will ultimately create a big problem for issues like foreign policy and will bring antisemitism into the mainstream. In my opinion, tomorrow's results could be very significant and facilitate opinions which centre around Islam. There will be little credible argument against this as they will have been voted in by a democratic process and genuinely support those people who have them support. I think support for The Greens is a flash in the pan like Corbyn but I think an effective block of Muslim support will be more significant in the long term.
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I do not agree with a lot of what you say but I think that is a good post. You are correct that the Greens have changed alot from what they originally were and it is true that they have done a rubbish job with vetting candidates. Your post makes a lot of sense.
However, I think that you have only identified part of the issue. People find the Greens appealing for the simple reason Labour no longer really represent who they should be. Like it or not , people on the Left genuinely loved Corbyn. Their ideals have been betrayed by Starmer.
I also think that the Left V Right argument regarding class has now vanished. The positions now reflect cultural as opposed to class issues.
However, I do feel you have missed a big point which is that Islam is now a massive factor in British politics. The Right criticise Muslims for not integrating unto UK society yet , here we are , and British Muslims are engaging in the politics in the UK after waking up to the fact that no political party looks after their interests. I think that the Greens are exploiting this but ,ultimately, Muslims will want a strong political party which represents their values and cultural conerns.
I think Muslim support fir the Greens will only last as long as they do not have their own political party. I can see British Hezbollah / Party of God and genuinely think that Muslim MPs will create a very powerful block. This block will ultimately create a big problem for issues like foreign policy and will bring antisemitism into the mainstream. In my opinion, tomorrow's results could be very significant and facilitate opinions which centre around Islam. There will be little credible argument against this as they will have been voted in by a democratic process and genuinely support those people who have them support. I think support for The Greens is a flash in the pan like Corbyn but I think an effective block of Muslim support will be more significant in the long term.
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Your comment made me laugh so it was a genuine comment.After all, some say you make Attila the Hun a raving leftie!! Have a good weekend IOAG.Much to your credit Ides, I can never be sure if you are being serious or not.
As for voting for the SNP, you would only regret it if you could. A bigger bunch of self serving, incompetent cretins would be hard to find.
Good post from both IOAG and that article (pointing out the various unpleasant people within the Green setup) and surprisingly a reasonably well thought out response from Ian. What is the world coming to?
All I have to add is that having lived through a Green council running Brighton whilst I was there - the ridiculously named Jason Kitcat - it was the biggest and most shockingly unmitigated disaster of a council I've ever known, so it's a monumental 'no' from me. A Corbyn-level of no. Regardless of all the other stuff.
All I have to add is that having lived through a Green council running Brighton whilst I was there - the ridiculously named Jason Kitcat - it was the biggest and most shockingly unmitigated disaster of a council I've ever known, so it's a monumental 'no' from me. A Corbyn-level of no. Regardless of all the other stuff.
That's a good one. As far as I know that's not been used before, I'll add it to my list.
Nice to read that Starmer will not walk away. In the meantime Labour grows ever more unpopular. I mean, loads of Labour canvassers have reported that people have said Starmer is the main reason why people didn't vote Labour yesterday. He is dragging them down and long may it continue.
So Tom we've had your Starmer, and I would assume, the current government out posts ad nauseum but no reply to repeated requests for your thoughts on who should replace the current PM and his administration. Looking forward to you prompt reply adding I'm no fan of Starmer as previously stated,
Welp i've got a Reform Councillor now, will be an interesting social experiment if nothing else...
I think its clear he can't lead them into the next GE now, but in terms of political strategy removing him now might be a bit soon, they need him to absorb more of the flak and take the time to find someone with an ounce of public popularity - I personally don't like Burnham, but he is the only Lab politician I can think of that comes with any inherent popularity and any sort of public reputation for delivery so he's probably their best bet, but no one who takes that job now will have any popularity or momentum by May 2029.
We are an ungovernable country, I don't think any leader of any party could survive more than two years without a push for removal as things stand, this is the fifth PM on the bounce who has serious pressure for removal in under three years (May and Johnson made it into their third year but were in serious **** by that point). I reckon Farage would very much find the same in terms of popularity, but he might survive as a result of his party lacking mechanism for his removal.
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It's a funny one - I live within Wandsworth council, and we've just voted back in the Conservatives, with Reform only getting 7% here. That actually makes me quite proud. Not because I'm some dyed-in-the-wool Tory (by any stretch), but because at a local level the Tory council here has been excellent to date - they were voted out for Labour in the last local election, and they've been utterly dreadful. And we haven't then turned to the odious Reform lot (or the Greens....*shudders*).
So the local council element for me is a very different thing to who should/who I'd like to be running national government.
Basically it looks like Labour and Conservatives have been replaced by Reform. While understandably people desperate for a change in fortunes it is concerning Reform is their first choice.
There may be some good guys in Reform, so no harm giving a few of them a chance!