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“Why do some British people not like Donald Trump?” Nate White, an articulate and witty writer from England wrote the following response:

A few things spring to mind. Trump lacks certain qualities which the British traditionally esteem. For instance, he has no class, no charm, no coolness, no credibility, no compassion, no wit, no warmth, no wisdom, no subtlety, no sensitivity, no self-awareness, no humility, no honour and no grace – all qualities, funnily enough, with which his predecessor Mr. Obama was generously blessed. So for us, the stark contrast does rather throw Trump’s limitations into embarrassingly sharp relief.

Plus, we like a laugh. And while Trump may be laughable, he has never once said anything wry, witty or even faintly amusing – not once, ever. I don’t say that rhetorically, I mean it quite literally: not once, not ever. And that fact is particularly disturbing to the British sensibility – for us, to lack humour is almost inhuman. But with Trump, it’s a fact. He doesn’t even seem to understand what a joke is – his idea of a joke is a crass comment, an illiterate insult, a casual act of cruelty.

Trump is a troll. And like all trolls, he is never funny and he never laughs; he only crows or jeers. And scarily, he doesn’t just talk in crude, witless insults – he actually thinks in them. His mind is a simple bot-like algorithm of petty prejudices and knee-jerk nastiness.

There is never any under-layer of irony, complexity, nuance or depth. It’s all surface. Some Americans might see this as refreshingly upfront. Well, we don’t. We see it as having no inner world, no soul. And in Britain we traditionally side with David, not Goliath. All our heroes are plucky underdogs: Robin Hood, Dick Whittington, Oliver Twist. Trump is neither plucky, nor an underdog. He is the exact opposite of that. He’s not even a spoiled rich-boy, or a greedy fat-cat. He’s more a fat white slug. A Jabba the Hutt of privilege.

And worse, he is that most unforgivable of all things to the British: a bully. That is, except when he is among bullies; then he suddenly transforms into a snivelling sidekick instead. There are unspoken rules to this stuff – the Queensberry rules of basic decency – and he breaks them all. He punches downwards – which a gentleman should, would, could never do – and every blow he aims is below the belt. He particularly likes to kick the vulnerable or voiceless – and he kicks them when they are down.

So the fact that a significant minority – perhaps a third – of Americans look at what he does, listen to what he says, and then think ‘Yeah, he seems like my kind of guy’ is a matter of some confusion and no little distress to British people, given that:

• Americans are supposed to be nicer than us, and mostly are.

• You don’t need a particularly keen eye for detail to spot a few flaws in the man.

This last point is what especially confuses and dismays British people, and many other people too; his faults seem pretty bloody hard to miss. After all, it’s impossible to read a single tweet, or hear him speak a sentence or two, without staring deep into the abyss. He turns being artless into an art form; he is a Picasso of pettiness; a Shakespeare of ****. His faults are fractal: even his flaws have flaws, and so on ad infinitum. God knows there have always been stupid people in the world, and plenty of nasty people too. But rarely has stupidity been so nasty, or nastiness so stupid. He makes Nixon look trustworthy and George W look smart. In fact, if Frankenstein decided to make a monster assembled entirely from human flaws – he would make a Trump.

And a remorseful Doctor Frankenstein would clutch out big clumpfuls of hair and scream in anguish: ‘My God… what… have… I… created?' If being a twat was a TV show, Trump would be the boxed set.


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Not sure if this has been shared before.


“Why do some British people not like Donald Trump?” Nate White, an articulate and witty writer from England wrote the following response:

A few things spring to mind. Trump lacks certain qualities which the British traditionally esteem. For instance, he has no class, no charm, no coolness, no credibility, no compassion, no wit, no warmth, no wisdom, no subtlety, no sensitivity, no self-awareness, no humility, no honour and no grace – all qualities, funnily enough, with which his predecessor Mr. Obama was generously blessed. So for us, the stark contrast does rather throw Trump’s limitations into embarrassingly sharp relief.

Plus, we like a laugh. And while Trump may be laughable, he has never once said anything wry, witty or even faintly amusing – not once, ever. I don’t say that rhetorically, I mean it quite literally: not once, not ever. And that fact is particularly disturbing to the British sensibility – for us, to lack humour is almost inhuman. But with Trump, it’s a fact. He doesn’t even seem to understand what a joke is – his idea of a joke is a crass comment, an illiterate insult, a casual act of cruelty.

Trump is a troll. And like all trolls, he is never funny and he never laughs; he only crows or jeers. And scarily, he doesn’t just talk in crude, witless insults – he actually thinks in them. His mind is a simple bot-like algorithm of petty prejudices and knee-jerk nastiness.

There is never any under-layer of irony, complexity, nuance or depth. It’s all surface. Some Americans might see this as refreshingly upfront. Well, we don’t. We see it as having no inner world, no soul. And in Britain we traditionally side with David, not Goliath. All our heroes are plucky underdogs: Robin Hood, Dick Whittington, Oliver Twist. Trump is neither plucky, nor an underdog. He is the exact opposite of that. He’s not even a spoiled rich-boy, or a greedy fat-cat. He’s more a fat white slug. A Jabba the Hutt of privilege.

And worse, he is that most unforgivable of all things to the British: a bully. That is, except when he is among bullies; then he suddenly transforms into a snivelling sidekick instead. There are unspoken rules to this stuff – the Queensberry rules of basic decency – and he breaks them all. He punches downwards – which a gentleman should, would, could never do – and every blow he aims is below the belt. He particularly likes to kick the vulnerable or voiceless – and he kicks them when they are down.

So the fact that a significant minority – perhaps a third – of Americans look at what he does, listen to what he says, and then think ‘Yeah, he seems like my kind of guy’ is a matter of some confusion and no little distress to British people, given that:

• Americans are supposed to be nicer than us, and mostly are.

• You don’t need a particularly keen eye for detail to spot a few flaws in the man.

This last point is what especially confuses and dismays British people, and many other people too; his faults seem pretty bloody hard to miss. After all, it’s impossible to read a single tweet, or hear him speak a sentence or two, without staring deep into the abyss. He turns being artless into an art form; he is a Picasso of pettiness; a Shakespeare of ****. His faults are fractal: even his flaws have flaws, and so on ad infinitum. God knows there have always been stupid people in the world, and plenty of nasty people too. But rarely has stupidity been so nasty, or nastiness so stupid. He makes Nixon look trustworthy and George W look smart. In fact, if Frankenstein decided to make a monster assembled entirely from human flaws – he would make a Trump.

And a remorseful Doctor Frankenstein would clutch out big clumpfuls of hair and scream in anguish: ‘My God… what… have… I… created?' If being a twat was a TV show, Trump would be the boxed set.


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I would hazard a guess and say he may be autistic. It would explain the trouble with empathy and humour somewhat.
 
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I would hazard a guess and say he may be autistic. It would explain the trouble with empathy and humour somewhat.
Not looking for a spat but autistic people can have empathy and humour. My grandson is autistic and has more empathy and humour at 16 than this spoil brat of a human being will ever have. He has personally dragged the standing of America down into the gutter. I can’t believe such a toxic individual has been given unlimited power to make the world a war zone through his stupidity.
 
I would hazard a guess and say he may be autistic. It would explain the trouble with empathy and humour somewhat.
Not looking for a spat but autistic people can have empathy and humour. My grandson is autistic and has more empathy and humour at 16 than this spoil brat of a human being will ever have. He has personally dragged the standing of America down into the gutter. I can’t believe such a toxic individual has been given unlimited power to make the world a war zone through his stupidity.
Absolutely OSS, my wife works with people with a broad range of disabilities autism, downs etc most with levels of empathy and humour, common sense too, sadly lacking in the tangerine turd and his sycophantic administration. You can lump Faridge PLC, Lowelife's Restore and the tory leadership in that ****show.
 
Not sure if this has been shared before.


“Why do some British people not like Donald Trump?” Nate White, an articulate and witty writer from England wrote the following response:

A few things spring to mind. Trump lacks certain qualities which the British traditionally esteem. For instance, he has no class, no charm, no coolness, no credibility, no compassion, no wit, no warmth, no wisdom, no subtlety, no sensitivity, no self-awareness, no humility, no honour and no grace – all qualities, funnily enough, with which his predecessor Mr. Obama was generously blessed. So for us, the stark contrast does rather throw Trump’s limitations into embarrassingly sharp relief.

Plus, we like a laugh. And while Trump may be laughable, he has never once said anything wry, witty or even faintly amusing – not once, ever. I don’t say that rhetorically, I mean it quite literally: not once, not ever. And that fact is particularly disturbing to the British sensibility – for us, to lack humour is almost inhuman. But with Trump, it’s a fact. He doesn’t even seem to understand what a joke is – his idea of a joke is a crass comment, an illiterate insult, a casual act of cruelty.

Trump is a troll. And like all trolls, he is never funny and he never laughs; he only crows or jeers. And scarily, he doesn’t just talk in crude, witless insults – he actually thinks in them. His mind is a simple bot-like algorithm of petty prejudices and knee-jerk nastiness.

There is never any under-layer of irony, complexity, nuance or depth. It’s all surface. Some Americans might see this as refreshingly upfront. Well, we don’t. We see it as having no inner world, no soul. And in Britain we traditionally side with David, not Goliath. All our heroes are plucky underdogs: Robin Hood, Dick Whittington, Oliver Twist. Trump is neither plucky, nor an underdog. He is the exact opposite of that. He’s not even a spoiled rich-boy, or a greedy fat-cat. He’s more a fat white slug. A Jabba the Hutt of privilege.

And worse, he is that most unforgivable of all things to the British: a bully. That is, except when he is among bullies; then he suddenly transforms into a snivelling sidekick instead. There are unspoken rules to this stuff – the Queensberry rules of basic decency – and he breaks them all. He punches downwards – which a gentleman should, would, could never do – and every blow he aims is below the belt. He particularly likes to kick the vulnerable or voiceless – and he kicks them when they are down.

So the fact that a significant minority – perhaps a third – of Americans look at what he does, listen to what he says, and then think ‘Yeah, he seems like my kind of guy’ is a matter of some confusion and no little distress to British people, given that:

• Americans are supposed to be nicer than us, and mostly are.

• You don’t need a particularly keen eye for detail to spot a few flaws in the man.

This last point is what especially confuses and dismays British people, and many other people too; his faults seem pretty bloody hard to miss. After all, it’s impossible to read a single tweet, or hear him speak a sentence or two, without staring deep into the abyss. He turns being artless into an art form; he is a Picasso of pettiness; a Shakespeare of ****. His faults are fractal: even his flaws have flaws, and so on ad infinitum. God knows there have always been stupid people in the world, and plenty of nasty people too. But rarely has stupidity been so nasty, or nastiness so stupid. He makes Nixon look trustworthy and George W look smart. In fact, if Frankenstein decided to make a monster assembled entirely from human flaws – he would make a Trump.

And a remorseful Doctor Frankenstein would clutch out big clumpfuls of hair and scream in anguish: ‘My God… what… have… I… created?' If being a twat was a TV show, Trump would be the boxed set.


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I don't think there is much to disagree with in this piece. Trump has no grace, charisma, statesmanship, or any other redeeming features, but I struggle to understand the obsession with him in this country. There is much of what the POTUS does that will undoubtedly have an effect on our lives, there's no argument in that, but so have all the previous presidents.
As an example George W Bush wasn't exactly charismatic either. He took the US and its allies into two wars. His economic policies are said to have exacerbated the 2008 world financial crisis and his slow response to Hurricane Katrina was widely criticised in the US. All in all a fairly poor president yet in this country he is regarded with relative indifference despite the huge loss of UK personnel in Iraq and Afghanistan.
I accept, that was then, this is now but the amount of trivial information about Trump that gets published practically every day is brain numbing. His orange colour, his hair, his wife, his lack of humour, lack of intelligence blah blah blah. There is probably more comments about him that don't affect us in the slightest than those that do. The above thread is a good example of that and this politics thread is no different.
So other than to take away scrutiny from our own pathetic government or that Trump is not very nice, maybe someone can explain why the obsession.
 
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I don't think there is much to disagree with in this piece. Trump has no grace, charisma, statesmanship, or any other redeeming features, but I struggle to understand the obsession with him in this country. There is much of what the POTUS does that will undoubtedly have an effect on our lives, there's no argument in that, but so have all the previous presidents.
As an example George W Bush wasn't exactly charismatic either. He took the US and its allies into two wars. His economic policies are said to have exacerbated the 2008 world financial crisis and his slow response to Hurricane Katrina was widely criticised in the US. All in all a fairly poor president yet in this country he is regarded with relative indifference despite the huge loss of UK personnel in Iraq and Afghanistan.
I accept, that was then, this is now but the amount of trivial information about Trump that gets published practically every day is brain numbing. His orange colour, his hair, his wife, his lack of humour, lack of intelligence blah blah blah. There is probably more comments about him that don't affect us in the slightest than those that do. The above thread is a good example of that and this politics thread is no different.
So other than to take away scrutiny from our own pathetic government or that Trump is not very nice, maybe someone can explain why the obsession.

Other than the fact that what he does is impacting us (and has the potential to do so in myriad ways), I suspect people are constantly confounded about what we're normalising now, in terms of behaviours of leaders. It's unheard of outside of true dictatorships, so I would suggest that's a part of the fascination, in a WTF way.
 
Other than the fact that what he does is impacting us (and has the potential to do so in myriad ways), I suspect people are constantly confounded about what we're normalising now, in terms of behaviours of leaders. It's unheard of outside of true dictatorships, so I would suggest that's a part of the fascination, in a WTF way.
Trump and his sycophantic administration, those that support it and the fawning right wing this side of the pond needs holding in the spotlight.
Besides that he's a satirist's dream in print, for cartoonists, standups and across the social media disgraces.
 
Other than the fact that what he does is impacting us (and has the potential to do so in myriad ways), I suspect people are constantly confounded about what we're normalising now, in terms of behaviours of leaders. It's unheard of outside of true dictatorships, so I would suggest that's a part of the fascination, in a WTF way.
Which I did mention.
But articles every day and plenty of Trump trivia to boot? There's a difference between being confounded (understandably) and obsessed though.
I'm going to suggest a separate Trump Politics thread for the clinically obsessed.
 
Suggest whatever you like. The fact we have a psychopath; that is, in this case, a man with no conscience, leading the USA, suggests to me that separating it out from every other aspect of our lives is a dangerous suggestion.
And that's the point, we don't have a psychopath leading the USA, the Americans do. We have no say in that and obsessing about it won't change anything or make our lives any less dangerous. Constantly worrying about something you can't change is more likely to make you unwell.
You should be more concerned about the things you can change like this incompetent government.
 
I don't think there is much to disagree with in this piece. Trump has no grace, charisma, statesmanship, or any other redeeming features, but I struggle to understand the obsession with him in this country. There is much of what the POTUS does that will undoubtedly have an effect on our lives, there's no argument in that, but so have all the previous presidents.
As an example George W Bush wasn't exactly charismatic either. He took the US and its allies into two wars. His economic policies are said to have exacerbated the 2008 world financial crisis and his slow response to Hurricane Katrina was widely criticised in the US. All in all a fairly poor president yet in this country he is regarded with relative indifference despite the huge loss of UK personnel in Iraq and Afghanistan.
I accept, that was then, this is now but the amount of trivial information about Trump that gets published practically every day is brain numbing. His orange colour, his hair, his wife, his lack of humour, lack of intelligence blah blah blah. There is probably more comments about him that don't affect us in the slightest than those that do. The above thread is a good example of that and this politics thread is no different.
So other than to take away scrutiny from our own pathetic government or that Trump is not very nice, maybe someone can explain why the obsession.

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Ask the MP for Clacton on Sea! (don't go to Clacton to find him)
 
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And that's the point, we don't have a psychopath leading the USA, the Americans do. We have no say in that and obsessing about it won't change anything or make our lives any less dangerous. Constantly worrying about something you can't change is more likely to make you unwell.
You should be more concerned about the things you can change like this incompetent government.
Whatever Trump does affects in multiple ways, from tariffs on Scotch to starting a war which destabilises the world order and which may trigger a refugee crisis to put all previous ones into the pale.
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Whatever Trump does affects in multiple ways, from tariffs on Scotch to starting a war which destabilises the world order and which may trigger a refugee crisis to put all previous ones into the pale.
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Which I did acknowledge in my reply to LTL. I also said there was not much to disagree with in No7's post.
The point I am making is that the amount of posts on here agonising over Trump is bordering on the neurotic. Nearly every post is about him, whether it impacts on us or not.
The graphic above is a case in point, it relates mostly to concerns of Americans. There is nothing there except "weakened our alliances" that affects anyone outside of the US.
I've tried to change the subject by pointing out how ****ing inept our own government is but for some reason no one wants to talk about that.
It seems they would rather discuss what shade of orange Trump is these days. So, if I can't beat 'em I'll join 'em. I've devised a Trump opinion poll.
Here are your choices. I'm going for Terracotta.

  • Burnt Orange: A deep, rich, autumnal orange.
  • Tangerine: A reddish-orange color often used to describe a more vibrant or deep tone.
  • Dark Orange: A rich, deep shade that often leans toward red or brown.
  • Rust / Terracotta: Strong reddish-brown or brownish-orange colors.
  • Tangelo: A deep, reddish-orange, named after the fruit.
  • Deep Saffron: A darker, richer shade of orange-yellow.
I'm going away for a few days, I'll collate the results later.
 
Which I did acknowledge in my reply to LTL. I also said there was not much to disagree with in No7's post.
The point I am making is that the amount of posts on here agonising over Trump is bordering on the neurotic. Nearly every post is about him, whether it impacts on us or not.
The graphic above is a case in point, it relates mostly to concerns of Americans. There is nothing there except "weakened our alliances" that affects anyone outside of the US.
I've tried to change the subject by pointing out how ****ing inept our own government is but for some reason no one wants to talk about that.
It seems they would rather discuss what shade of orange Trump is these days. So, if I can't beat 'em I'll join 'em. I've devised a Trump opinion poll.
Here are your choices. I'm going for Terracotta.

  • Burnt Orange: A deep, rich, autumnal orange.
  • Tangerine: A reddish-orange color often used to describe a more vibrant or deep tone.
  • Dark Orange: A rich, deep shade that often leans toward red or brown.
  • Rust / Terracotta: Strong reddish-brown or brownish-orange colors.
  • Tangelo: A deep, reddish-orange, named after the fruit.
  • Deep Saffron: A darker, richer shade of orange-yellow.
I'm going away for a few days, I'll collate the results later.

I sort of know what you mean, but it's also not for you (or I, or anyone really) to police what the topic of the day is. Trump is dominating the headlines for good reason (particularly as he's currently whinging about NATO coming to help - that'll be the NATO he despises, and despite saying he didn't want anyone joining in late, and despite the fact that NATO is a defence organisation and the US hasn't been attacked). So it's understandable that people should be talking about him as he forces that conversation.

In other news, I got done doing 25 in a 20 limit the other day at a point where the A3 out of London is 3 lanes, so I feel hard done by, and also absolutely hate that these things are being put in place to make money, and have nothing to do with safety. But that's just a little less interesting than a determination to start a world war. Sorry.
 
I sort of know what you mean, but it's also not for you (or I, or anyone really) to police what the topic of the day is. Trump is dominating the headlines for good reason (particularly as he's currently whinging about NATO coming to help - that'll be the NATO he despises, and despite saying he didn't want anyone joining in late, and despite the fact that NATO is a defence organisation and the US hasn't been attacked). So it's understandable that people should be talking about him as he forces that conversation.

In other news, I got done doing 25 in a 20 limit the other day at a point where the A3 out of London is 3 lanes, so I feel hard done by, and also absolutely hate that these things are being put in place to make money, and have nothing to do with safety. But that's just a little less interesting than a determination to start a world war. Sorry.


Yep, speeding and parking fines etc are a form of indirect taxation on motorists. Don’t expect it to stop anytime soon, in fact there’s more chance of Trump winning a Nobel Peace Prize, than there is of that happening.
 
And that's the point, we don't have a psychopath leading the USA, the Americans do. We have no say in that and obsessing about it won't change anything or make our lives any less dangerous. Constantly worrying about something you can't change is more likely to make you unwell.
You should be more concerned about the things you can change like this incompetent government.
It’s your opinion that the government is incompetent, but the evidence is that they are doing a great job of resisting being dragged into another catastrophic war which will make everyone in this country worse off.
I haven’t been Starmer’s biggest fan but he is playing a blinder as regards Trump’s lunacy.
When you look at the alternative choices, who would you rather have in charge here? Kemi Badenoch makes herself look more ridiculous every time she opens her mouth, and Farage is just a disgraceful opportunist who has no policies whatsoever apart from anti-immigration. His desire to create another refugee crisis seems a little paradoxical in the light of that.
And thank you for assistance in moderating this board, but we’ll talk about whatever we like here.