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Ian Thumwood said:
The media seem to be in a frenzy regarding the performances of Bob Vylan and Kneecap at Glastonbury. I am shocked that the govt appears to be taking legal action with against both parties as well as Trump revoking the former's visa.

I wo6ld have thought both governments would have had more pressing issues to deal with. Fair play to Kneecap. They probably deserve 25 years for their music but must be applauded for their politics.
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Ian Thumwood said:
The media seem to be in a frenzy regarding the performances of Bob Vylan and Kneecap at Glastonbury. I am shocked that the govt appears to be taking legal action with against both parties as well as Trump revoking the former's visa.

I wo6ld have thought both governments would have had more pressing issues to deal with. Fair play to Kneecap. They probably deserve 25 years for their music but must be applauded for their politics.
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You can't help but applaud their politics. You must still be clapping at these.

BBC
Belfast-based rap group Kneecap have apologised to the families of murdered MPs Sir David Amess and Jo Cox.

The statement posted on X, external follows the emergence of footage of the group at a concert in November 2023, where one of the band members appears to say: "The only good Tory is a dead Tory. Kill your local MP."

Guardian
Kneecap row: police assessing ‘kill MP’ and ‘up Hamas, up Hezbollah’ footage
 
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Didn't one artist call for riots at a court hearing? Quite clearly an imprisonable offence as very recent history has shown.
 
Libby said:
Didn't one artist call for riots at a court hearing? Quite clearly an imprisonable offence as very recent history has shown.
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They called for peaceful protests at the court hearing .

The matter should never gone to court. It is outrage. If the politicians were doing their job, there would be no need for Kneecap. No different from Billie Holiday , Abbey Lincoln ,Woody Guthrie, Charlie Haden or Willie Dixon.
 
Ian Thumwood said:
They called for peaceful protests at the court hearing .

The matter should never gone to court. It is outrage. If the politicians were doing their job, there would be no need for Kneecap. No different from Billie Holiday , Abbey Lincoln ,Woody Guthrie, Charlie Haden or Willie Dixon.
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'It's not the first time there has been a miscarriage of justice for an Irish person in the British justice system. So now you know he's available on the 20th August at Westminster, support Mo Chara and let's start a riot in the courts.'
 
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Ian Thumwood said:
They called for peaceful protests at the court hearing .

The matter should never gone to court. It is outrage. If the politicians were doing their job, there would be no need for Kneecap. No different from Billie Holiday , Abbey Lincoln ,Woody Guthrie, Charlie Haden or Willie Dixon.
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Quite a lot different actually. Fuxakes, you're not really comparing Kneecap to Billie Holiday?
 
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St Jabbo

I cannot see either Kneexap or Bob Vylan being around this time next year. They have nothing to contribute to art.

However I disagree that there are genuine artists who have taken a more strident and confrontational approach to protest. Thinking along the lines of Max Roach , Charles Mingus, Blind Wilie Johnson celebrating the sinking of The Titanic, etc,etc.
 
Ian Thumwood said:
St Jabbo

I cannot see either Kneexap or Bob Vylan being around this time next year. They have nothing to contribute to art.

However I disagree that there are genuine artists who have taken a more strident and confrontational approach to protest. Thinking along the lines of Max Roach , Charles Mingus, Blind Wilie Johnson celebrating the sinking of The Titanic, etc,etc.
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Protest songs have been around as long as there's been music. Incitements to "stand up for your rights" et al. The artistic merits are open to discussion.

I take issue with the celebration statement and did some searching please give links or credits to prove me wrong or perhaps I've misunderstood the point you were trying to make.
May I also point out that Kneecap and Vylan were, allegedly, inciting violence not celebrating a disaster.

This Guardian page from 1998 has a review of a Max Roach album next to one for the Titanic film, there is no celebratory link for Roach that I can find.
https://image.guardian.co.uk/sys-files/Observer/documents/2008/04/10/titanic25_01_98.pdf

Charles Mingus where did that come from and what are the etc, etc?

Lastly, Blind Willie Johnson did not "celebrate" the sinking of the Titanic; rather, he recorded a gospel blues song titled "God Moves on the Water" in 1929, which describes the disaster and its human impact. This song reflects on the tragedy, with lyrics such as "God moves, God moves, God moves, and the people had to run and pray,"
And https://patwictor.com/news/1560/
 
Ian Thumwood said:
St Jabbo

I cannot see either Kneexap or Bob Vylan being around this time next year. They have nothing to contribute to art.

However I disagree that there are genuine artists who have taken a more strident and confrontational approach to protest. Thinking along the lines of Max Roach , Charles Mingus, Blind Wilie Johnson celebrating the sinking of The Titanic, etc,etc.
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TBF, he was the lookout on The Titanic, so he may have had some input
 
This Labour government is an absolute shambles. They may as well hand the keys to Number 10 to Farage it they keep this incompetence going.
 
Ian Thumwood said:
St Jabbo

I cannot see either Kneexap or Bob Vylan being around this time next year. They have nothing to contribute to art.

However I disagree that there are genuine artists who have taken a more strident and confrontational approach to protest. Thinking along the lines of Max Roach , Charles Mingus, Blind Wilie Johnson celebrating the sinking of The Titanic, etc,etc.
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Your first sentence is nonsense I'm afraid. They both have some artistic merit (it's just not to your taste), and BV has been around for ten years already and was a really big underground artist (hence getting to play Glastonbury).
 
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Lemons and Oranges said:
TBF, he was the lookout on The Titanic, so he may have had some input
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I would recommend Elijah Wald's excellent book on the Delta Blues which stresses the impact of the sinking of The Titanic amongst black musical artists in 2nd and 3rd decade of 20th century. In the Southern states it was viewed as the first instance where white people were demonstrated to be fallible and celebrated such
in song. Johnson was by no means the only artist to have sung about this.
 
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