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Discussion in 'Southampton' started by ChilcoSaint, Feb 23, 2016.

  1. San Tejón

    San Tejón Well-Known Member

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    While everyone in the media is getting upset with what happened at Glastonbury, the object of their protest is responsible for this.
    If only the media and western governments got upset with this.

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  2. Archers Road

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  3. It'sOnlyAGame

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    You can't help but applaud their politics. You must still be clapping at these.

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    Belfast-based rap group Kneecap have apologised to the families of murdered MPs Sir David Amess and Jo Cox.

    The statement posted on X, external follows the emergence of footage of the group at a concert in November 2023, where one of the band members appears to say: "The only good Tory is a dead Tory. Kill your local MP."

    Guardian
    Kneecap row: police assessing ‘kill MP’ and ‘up Hamas, up Hezbollah’ footage
     
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  4. Libby

    Libby Derby County, we're coming for you

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    Didn't one artist call for riots at a court hearing? Quite clearly an imprisonable offence as very recent history has shown.
     
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  5. Ian Thumwood

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    They called for peaceful protests at the court hearing .

    The matter should never gone to court. It is outrage. If the politicians were doing their job, there would be no need for Kneecap. No different from Billie Holiday , Abbey Lincoln ,Woody Guthrie, Charlie Haden or Willie Dixon.
     
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  6. Libby

    Libby Derby County, we're coming for you

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    'It's not the first time there has been a miscarriage of justice for an Irish person in the British justice system. So now you know he's available on the 20th August at Westminster, support Mo Chara and let's start a riot in the courts.'
     
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  7. Le Tissier's Laces

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    Vylan and Kneecap are silly sods cosplaying at sixth form politics. But that has always been the case with musicians. They've both done remarkable PR jobs to be honest. Nobody would know Kneecap if it wasn't for their 'edginess'.
     
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  8. Archers Road

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    Quite a lot different actually. Fuxakes, you're not really comparing Kneecap to Billie Holiday?
     
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  9. Ian Thumwood

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    Not in the least but 'Strange Fruit' is a protest song. All the artists I have listed have been political. The govt should not be up in arms about this.
     
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  10. StJabbo1

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    I don't think the artists you listed advocated violence as Vylan and Kneecap did.
     
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  11. Ian Thumwood

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    St Jabbo

    I cannot see either Kneexap or Bob Vylan being around this time next year. They have nothing to contribute to art.

    However I disagree that there are genuine artists who have taken a more strident and confrontational approach to protest. Thinking along the lines of Max Roach , Charles Mingus, Blind Wilie Johnson celebrating the sinking of The Titanic, etc,etc.
     
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  12. StJabbo1

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    Protest songs have been around as long as there's been music. Incitements to "stand up for your rights" et al. The artistic merits are open to discussion.

    I take issue with the celebration statement and did some searching please give links or credits to prove me wrong or perhaps I've misunderstood the point you were trying to make.
    May I also point out that Kneecap and Vylan were, allegedly, inciting violence not celebrating a disaster.

    This Guardian page from 1998 has a review of a Max Roach album next to one for the Titanic film, there is no celebratory link for Roach that I can find.
    https://image.guardian.co.uk/sys-files/Observer/documents/2008/04/10/titanic25_01_98.pdf

    Charles Mingus where did that come from and what are the etc, etc?

    Lastly, Blind Willie Johnson did not "celebrate" the sinking of the Titanic; rather, he recorded a gospel blues song titled "God Moves on the Water" in 1929, which describes the disaster and its human impact. This song reflects on the tragedy, with lyrics such as "God moves, God moves, God moves, and the people had to run and pray,"
    And https://patwictor.com/news/1560/
     
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  13. StJabbo1

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    For those who have an interest in protest on vinyl.
     
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  14. Lemons and Oranges

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    TBF, he was the lookout on The Titanic, so he may have had some input
     
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