Off Topic Politics Thread

[Osvaldorama]

Including public workers as reliant on the state is beyond mental and negates any point you're trying to make.

Those bloody scrounging doctors and fireman

Not at all. They are literally funded by the taxpayer.

No one is saying they’re not vital/important - they’re obviously a necessary cost. But effectively they’re still a cost. I actually think they all deserve more pay.

If the entire country was a company, those would be considered ‘maintenance’ and on the L side of the P&L on the balance sheet.

Still important but not generating positive cash flow for the business.

People may not think about this, but it absolutely matters if you want the country to be successful long term. The only way to actually get key workers better pay is to run the economy well

 

[SAINTOSPREY]

Six of the best never worked as a deterrent for me. In fact sometimes we’d deliberately goad the teachers into using the cane or slipper - getting hit was a badge of honour. My son, on the other hand, was never hit by teachers, by his mother, nor by me - and he had grown into a decent honourable man. What young men need growing up, is role models they can look up to and respect.

When I was at school I received the cane only twice, one for talking in an exam and once for fouling up an English spelling check. Accepted the punishment and came to the conclusion that if I didn't do wrong it was the clever way to avoid punishment. My Dad never punished me, just the threat was enough to put me off any wrong doing! Never understood the "badge of honour" thing, just plain stupid. Anyone that thinks it is big to be bad is just a flawed human being.

 

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Not at all. They are literally funded by the taxpayer.

No one is saying they’re not vital/important - they’re obviously a necessary cost. But effectively they’re still a cost. I actually think they all deserve more pay.

If the entire country was a company, those would be considered ‘maintenance’ and on the L side of the P&L on the balance sheet.

Still important but not generating positive cash flow for the business.

People may not think about this, but it absolutely matters if you want the country to be successful long term. The only way to actually get key workers better pay is to run the economy well

The issue is that doctors, teachers, firemen, etc. are a paid for service. They are only reliant on the government because the government is reliant on them. The country is not a business. It our whole society, and cannot be treated as such.

 

[thereisonlyoneno7]

The issue is that doctors, teachers, firemen, etc. are a paid for service. They are only reliant on the government because the government is reliant on them. The country is not a business. It our whole society, and cannot be treated as such.

But, but, my mate bob from the pub told me it was a business. And he showed me a pretty graph and used really long words in it.

 

[It'sOnlyAGame]

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JFK files released and they’re pretty.. interesting

Seems like the CIA and FBI at the very least knew it would happen and failed to prevent it… at worst they orchestrated the entire thing

Wild

More JFK files released. Includes some new previously unknown and astounding accusations.

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[Le Tissier's Laces]

More JFK files released. Includes some new previously unknown and astounding accusations.

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I saw that useful idiot #4, Russell Brand had retweeted this thinking it was real. Says it all really.

 

[StJabbo1]

More JFK files released. Includes some new previously unknown and astounding accusations.

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I saw that useful idiot #4, Russell Brand had retweeted this thinking it was real. Says it all really.

It's not true, it's not true
I'm telling you
'Cause I'm up here and you're nowhere
It's not true, so there!

 

[Osvaldorama]

The issue is that doctors, teachers, firemen, etc. are a paid for service. They are only reliant on the government because the government is reliant on them. The country is not a business. It our whole society, and cannot be treated as such.

This is such a bad take imo.

Of course the economy has to be run like a well functioning business.

The fact that it isn’t is the direct cause of almost all the problems that we are seeing in the UK.

You can’t just wave a magic wand and ignore economic realities

 

[Libby]

Not at all. They are literally funded by the taxpayer.

No one is saying they’re not vital/important - they’re obviously a necessary cost. But effectively they’re still a cost. I actually think they all deserve more pay.

If the entire country was a company, those would be considered ‘maintenance’ and on the L side of the P&L on the balance sheet.

Still important but not generating positive cash flow for the business.

People may not think about this, but it absolutely matters if you want the country to be successful long term. The only way to actually get key workers better pay is to run the economy well

My point is that in no world can those people be grouped in with people who don't work and live entirely off the state.

 

[Archers Road]

When I was at school I received the cane only twice, one for talking in an exam and once for fouling up an English spelling check. Accepted the punishment and came to the conclusion that if I didn't do wrong it was the clever way to avoid punishment. My Dad never punished me, just the threat was enough to put me off any wrong doing! Never understood the "badge of honour" thing, just plain stupid. Anyone that thinks it is big to be bad is just a flawed human being.

We’re all flawed human beings aren’t we? And teenage boys are always doing things which are “just plain stupid”. Always have, always will. That’s why this group in particular need a bit of guidance.

 

[Osvaldorama]

My point is that in no world can those people be grouped in with people who don't work and live entirely off the state.

That study is investigating who in society is directly growing the UKs economy.

The study is not diminishing their importance or their roles. It is showing the economic reality.

I think it’s important to understand what it is saying, personally

 

[thereisonlyoneno7]

Doctors do grow the economy.

If I am ill, a doctor can help be get back to work. A doctor can also prevent me getting ill with advice/medication. If my business is on fire, a fireman may save the business in time. If I want to progress in my role a teacher will help me. I could go on and on, but this brick wall I am banging my head against is beginning to hurt.

 

[ChilcoSaint]

This is such a bad take imo.

Of course the economy has to be run like a well functioning business.

The fact that it isn’t is the direct cause of almost all the problems that we are seeing in the UK.

You can’t just wave a magic wand and ignore economic realities

Try running an economy without the people who produce things being cared for by nurses and doctors, or taught how to do their jobs by teachers, or being rescued from accidents and fires by paramedics and firefighters, or being kept safe by police officers, or having the roads they drive on repaired by council staff, or all the million and one other things that public sector workers do to keep the country running.

Do you actually live on this planet?

 

[saintrichie123]

Doctors do grow the economy.

If I am ill, a doctor can help be get back to work. A doctor can also prevent me getting ill with advice/medication. If my business is on fire, a fireman may save the business in time. If I want to progress in my role a teacher will help me. I could go on and on, but this brick wall I am banging my head against is beginning to hurt.

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[saintrichie123]

Musk buying votes again.

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[Saints_Alive]

Musk buying votes again.

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Doge pronounced "Dodgy"

 

[Lemons and Oranges]

No, Os is absolutely correct. It is all about having our own money, so that we can decide what we spend it on. There is no need to tax people, just to fund anything at all, as we will then have our own money to buy our own roads, education, health, defence. Especially defence. I've already ordered several powerful machine guns, and lots of land mines, so I can defend my property against anyone who tries to take it off me. Hold on, what that's noise? They're already burrowing under my house! They'll be here soon, to take me away...

 

[Osvaldorama]

Doctors do grow the economy.

If I am ill, a doctor can help be get back to work. A doctor can also prevent me getting ill with advice/medication. If my business is on fire, a fireman may save the business in time. If I want to progress in my role a teacher will help me. I could go on and on, but this brick wall I am banging my head against is beginning to hurt.

As usual you have fundamentally missed the entire point.

No one is saying these jobs aren’t important.

However they are a net cost to the taxpayer

 

[Osvaldorama]

Try running an economy without the people who produce things being cared for by nurses and doctors, or taught how to do their jobs by teachers, or being rescued from accidents and fires by paramedics and firefighters, or being kept safe by police officers, or having the roads they drive on repaired by council staff, or all the million and one other things that public sector workers do to keep the country running.

Do you actually live on this planet?

Again - no one is saying they aren’t valuable to society.

But they do not generate any income and that needs to be factored in at the government level when making decisions.

Your emotional attitude at this obvious fact is one of the reasons the UK is in decline

 

[ChilcoSaint]

Again - no one is saying they aren’t valuable to society.

But they do not generate any income and that needs to be factored in at the government level when making decisions.

Your emotional attitude at this obvious fact is one of the reasons the UK is in decline

The point you are continually failing to acknowledge is that workers who make stuff simply couldn’t make anything without support from the public sector. It’s not a case of the public sector costing the country money, it’s a case of those services being an essential part of the economy.

Your reluctance to see the blindingly obvious is simply staggering.