Off Topic Politics Thread

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Ian Thumwood said:
A French scientist has had his visa application refused today for posting anti Trump tweets. This has been reported in French media today.

Bad tweets unacceptable unless in Europe when it becomes a freedom of speech issue.
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I wonder how much more apparent the hypocrisy will need to be before people start noticing it…
 
Le Tissier's Laces said:
Okay, let me try once more.

Yes, they report what they are told in some instances (and this is what you’re supporting Trump and Musk enforcing upon an unquestioning pool) because they have to report what a government is saying. That’s reporting. Trump and Musk are the very people denying reporters access because they also report truths that are uncomfortable, or pick up inconsistencies (by just reporting facts, rather than curated spin), but again you’re supporting that? The very thing you’re against, you support when it comes to them. Strange.

Agencies like Reuters and AP also have print and photo journalists on the ground across the world. In many cases risking their lives (Reuters had to extricate one of their reporters from inside Gaza recently. It was quite emotional). Those reporters write and take pictures of what is happening there and then. In situ. They also provide data from on the ground sources - those will often be, in the Gaza example, numbers from sources in Hamas or from the IDF, so need to be treated with appropriate care. They’ll always say when data is from a source like that because obviously it needs caution, and a reporter can’t go and count bodies or missiles themselves (much as they can’t hunt for WMDs in a hostile environment themselves).

Those reports and pictures are then sold to the likes of the BBC, Fox News, The Times, The Guardian - whomever, and a lot of the data is sold to governments too.

That’s what a ‘raw news’ agency like Reuters and AP will do. Those reports will be then be churned through whatever opinion that buyer wants to put on them - the Mail will likely highlight parts that the Guardian won’t. They’ll form the basis of opinion pieces and comment. But they won’t be sold with any bias attached because they’re raw news pieces. They are utterly ****ing committed to that, in ways you still don’t understand.

They also have investigative reporters, which is a whole other kettle of fish, and who are incredibly important, particularly when holding power to account - something I thought you supported?

I don’t need you to be ‘impressed’ by who I know. My ego isn’t that delicate. It’s a fact though that I do know, and am personal friends with the editor in chief at Reuters, and my wife is one of the senior directors there. I know the vast majority of people at the top (and obviously my wife knows them all). So I know the decision makers. Personally. I listen to the daily call they have where they talk about the news and what pieces they are running etc. I know and have heard how many times they haven’t run a scoop because they couldn’t absolutely verify it as 100% true, so they’d rather lose it to a competitor than risk their reputation.

Because of all that, I can 100% tell you - and this isn’t guessing, this is knowledge - there is no bias against Trump or Musk in the reporting of Reuters. There is nobody there out to get them, it just does not work like that.

Well done for knowing a sports reporter though.
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Impressive connections.

How many of those people are left wing/liberal?

How many of them live in the London socialist bubble?

Is there a disconnect between the UK and America?

There are many examples of American Reuters showing huge bias against Trump. No amount of name dropping can change this objective fact.
 
Osvaldorama said:
Impressive connections.

How many of those people are left wing/liberal?

How many of them live in the London socialist bubble?

Is there a disconnect between the UK and America?

There are many examples of American Reuters showing huge bias against Trump. No amount of name dropping can change this objective fact.
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Bias, by its nature, is hard to present as objective fact. Firstly, because bias is opinion and therefore not factual, and secondly because our understanding of opinion is subjective and not objective.
 
Osvaldorama said:
Impressive connections.

How many of those people are left wing/liberal?

How many of them live in the London socialist bubble?

Is there a disconnect between the UK and America?

There are many examples of American Reuters showing huge bias against Trump. No amount of name dropping can change this objective fact.
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It’s not an objective fact.

Ale is editor in chief - that’s for the world. There’s no difference or disconnect in that sense between the UK and US. I’m not telling you where she lives, (though she’s Italian, so do the math - it’s not just in one place) and I have no idea of her political leanings, because as I’ve told you a million times, they don’t reveal or lean on those. I’d be surprised if she were left/liberal tbh. My wife isn’t particularly.

And I’m not name dropping. Christ, you have no bloody idea the people I know if you think that’s me trying to ‘impress’ you or name drop <laugh><laugh><laugh>

What I’m trying to do is lend you some knowledge. As always though, you somehow take it as an affront when people try to do that. Others knowing more about something than you isn’t an insult, Os. It’s an opportunity to learn something.

I have no doubt there are a million things you know more about than me. I’d be very happy to admit it, though I have no idea what you do - whatever it is, you’ll likely be an expert in comparison to me. So educate me. I’m not afraid of that at all. Why are you so scared of someone knowing more than you about other stuff?
 
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Mostlymadeofwater said:
You said 'the worlds most successful car company'. I can't think of a metric where Tesla has this apart from being specific in maybe best selling electric car. It's not picking a metric which looks bad. Perhaps you meant something different, but say so. We can all be wrong :)

Tesla has achieved some amazing things with real innovation in battery and motor technology. Do remember that these companies aren't about the figurehead. Tesla existed before Musk, there are talented people working there and some of the self driving tech is really exciting - some serious M&A there though.

I have little against Elon Musks companies, it is the way he behaves in public I find abhorrent. It is the spreading of lies. It is the pretence of improving government while engineering the system to benefit himself that I object to.
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It is on capitalisation
That may take a hit due to the issue between Teslas customer base and Musks behaviour
 
The thing with Trump is I do try to see if it is just bias against him with any reporting I read/hear. Sometimes though you may have to accept that most of it is true and he is not a nice person. That isn't the 'legacy' media telling me, it is me evaluating the evidence presented to me (from all sources) and coming to that conclusion for my opinion.

This is the important part. MY OPINION.

I'm never going to change Os mind, but I would hope that I and others on here could make him open up his view a bit and not believe what bob from the pub wrote on twitter.
 
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thereisonlyoneno7 said:
The thing with Trump is I do try to see if it is just bias against him with any reporting I read/hear. Sometimes though you may have to accept that most of it is true and he is not a nice person. That isn't the 'legacy' media telling me, it is me evaluating the evidence presented to me (from all sources) and coming to that conclusion for my opinion.

This is the important part. MY OPINION.

I'm never going to change Os mind, but I would hope that I and others on here could make him open up his view a bit and not believe what bob from the pub wrote on twitter.
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Exactly this.

Of course there’ll be people at Reuters that think he’s a complete ****, just as there’ll be people at the White House working for him that think he’s a complete ****. That’s probably because he’s a complete ****. But that doesn’t stop them reporting what’s happening accurately and without bias, or doing their jobs for him in the White House effectively. Because they’re professionals.
 
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thereisonlyoneno7 said:
The thing with Trump is I do try to see if it is just bias against him with any reporting I read/hear. Sometimes though you may have to accept that most of it is true and he is not a nice person. That isn't the 'legacy' media telling me, it is me evaluating the evidence presented to me (from all sources) and coming to that conclusion for my opinion.

This is the important part. MY OPINION.

I'm never going to change Os mind, but I would hope that I and others on here could make him open up his view a bit and not believe what bob from the pub wrote on twitter.
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Good luck with that :headbang:
 
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Thought for the day - In the UK if you don't like Starmer and say so, you live to say it again. In United States if you don't like Trump and says so you will be very unpopular with his followers, in Russia if you don't like Putin and say so, you end up dead in mysterious circumstances.
 
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SAINTOSPREY said:
Thought for the day - In the UK if you don't like Starmer and say so, you live to say it again. In United States if you don't like Trump and says so you will be very unpopular with his followers, in Russia if you don't like Putin and say so, you end up dead in mysterious circumstances.
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Well the US is becoming like that. The UK has had to update its travel advice!
 
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Omg people are upset that the absolutely fantastic Adolescence has a white kid do a murder! <laugh><laugh>

White people need to stop the outrage signalling! It is ridiculous. I will wait for one of our resident insecure white males to come get upset.
 
Le Tissier's Laces said:
I don’t quite understand this department of education closure by Trump. I’ll wait for some solid, researched reporting on it, but right now I don’t know enough to comment.
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I think the talking heads are still discussing it but I have seen that it can only be done by an act of congress and not by an executive order.
 
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