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No idea what is happening here, joyfully, but guessing that if Os ever admitted he was wrong, or that he’d learned something from people that know more than him, it would do him a lot of favours, and improve his life.

About right?
Two engineers in the group have disagreed with him about how engineering works, but he knows better.
 
You are crushing on Elon so hard!

What’s not to love? Mega rich. Grandson of Nazis. Son of a racist. Does nazi salutes. Posts right-wing misinformation constantly…

He’s a fantastic leader, engineer and business man. One of the greatest people alive today.

Definitely isn’t a Nazi.
Definitely didn’t do a Nazi salute, why are you lying about that?
 
Two engineers in the group have disagreed with him about how engineering works, but he knows better.

I do know better on this issue. A lot better. Because it’s literally the exact truth as discussed by multiple SpaceX engineers repeatedly for over an hour just before the flight <laugh><laugh><laugh>

You guys are defending a point which is - quite literally - massively wrong. All you have to do is pull up the SpaceX live stream.

Instead you’re getting hysterical
 
This isn’t the same as working on a production line. They clearly defined this as a maximum stress test. They highlighted areas on the rocket that were weak points from the previous test that they strengthened for this test. They also weakened other areas that performed well.

They literally stated this before the test. I don’t understand why you guys can’t comprehend this.

Think of it as beta testing of new software, rather than a hardware launch

`They clearly defined this as a maximum stress test` - so why didn`t it survive the maximum designed stress? `They weakened other areas` - why ?
 
You have a very low bar for hysteria. On your period?
I do know better on this issue. A lot better. Because it’s literally the exact truth as discussed by multiple SpaceX engineers repeatedly for over an hour just before the flight <laugh><laugh><laugh>

You guys are defending a point which is - quite literally - massively wrong. All you have to do is pull up the SpaceX live stream.

Instead you’re getting hysterical
 
`They clearly defined this as a maximum stress test` - so why didn`t it survive the maximum designed stress? `They weakened other areas` - why ?

They are developing new materials technology for the heat shield and other areas.

They said they hoped it would survive but expect this one to fail as they are trying new, previously untested materials. There is no way to predict the behaviour of these materials without real flight data.

No one has ever made a reusable rocket before and essentially you have to crack some eggs to make an omelette
 
"well, that mostly worked ok...this time, make a few holes in the side and send it up again...

it blew up?
Thought it might.
Collect the data and let Elon know that the strong bits were weaker after we weakened it"

This has literally been their philosophy/strategy for years now and led to them revolutionising the space industry and quite frankly embarrassing every public aero specs company in how quickly & cheaply they’ve been able to innovate
 
They are developing new materials technology for the heat shield and other areas.

They said they hoped it would survive but expect this one to fail as they are trying new, previously untested materials. There is no way to predict the behaviour of these materials without real flight data.

No one has ever made a reusable rocket before and essentially you have to crack some eggs to make an omelette
Tell us what kind of engineer you are ? I don`t believe any of the propaganda from Musk or his cohorts.
Question - why would you need a reusable rocket ? - Genuine question.
 
They are developing new materials technology for the heat shield and other areas.

They said they hoped it would survive but expect this one to fail as they are trying new, previously untested materials. There is no way to predict the behaviour of these materials without real flight data.

No one has ever made a reusable rocket before and essentially you have to crack some eggs to make an omelette
To test materials, you don`t have to build them into a machine and hope for the best. The behaviour of materials can of course be tested and predicted before a prototype is developed.
 
Tell us what kind of engineer you are ? I don`t believe any of the propaganda from Musk or his cohorts.
Question - why would you need a reusable rocket ? - Genuine question.

It lowers the cost of entry for space by a huge factor.
Essentially the first step toward making the human race multi planetary.

This is the most difficult problem to solve in space flight currently. No one has been able to get close.
 
To test materials, you don`t have to build them into a machine and hope for the best. The behaviour of materials can of course be tested and predicted before a prototype is developed.

Not true. Not with the level of stress we are talking about.

Plus speed is essential. It’s much faster to just test stuff and then rebuild.

Again - not sure why you’re arguing here. It’s their entire strategy and is why they’re one of the most successful engineering companies in history.
I’m not making this up, all you have to do is a tiny amount of research.
 
Reading between the lines here, so sorry if I am seeing this wrong…

But it seems what these Space X folk are doing, is saying when you’re wrong about something, take the new information on board and learn from it?


Mad idea, surely? That’ll never catch on.
 
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Reading between the lines here, so sorry if I am seeing this wrong…

But it seems what these Space X folk are doing, is saying when you’re wrong about something, take the new information on board and learn from it?


Mad idea, surely? That’ll never catch on.

Yes, I agree. A lot of you on here could learn from this strategy
 
I think to some extent everyone is right and everyone is wrong. The idea was for the booster to separate and return to the launch area, which it did. But the upper section was meant to continue into orbit, deploy mock satellites and then test various things related to reentry into the atmosphere before a controlled splashdown. I think the reentry experiments may have been where there were heat shields removed and so on.

So no, this test flight wasn't intended to break up when it did. Having said that, SpaceX are doing remarkable things, reusable rockets do have an important range of benefits (they reduce costs, you can launch more often, the environmental impact is reduced because you're not building a new rocket every time you launch) and this outcome was always a possibility so a "Haha. What a loser." type reaction isn't really merited.