Off Topic Politics Thread

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Another car driven into a group of people in Germany just now.

Seems to be a daily occurrence at this point
 
Osvaldorama said:
It’s just how things are. We don’t (and shouldn’t) get involved in absolutely every conflict. One persons “right” is another persons “wrong”.

Put it this way;

Imagine if Russia was sending weapons and money to the IRA and destabilising Ireland for years, interfering in elections and generally causing political chaos there.

Imagine if things got so bad there, we felt there was a threat to Britain and that we then had to send British troops back in to stabilise the region. But also imagine instead of an island, Ireland had the rest of Russia and its global military alliances behind it, which made the situation even more tense and complex.

That is me ‘straw manning’ Putin’s position. He sees the west have been destabilising Ukraine in order to push their own agenda in the region.

I’m not saying this justifies his invasion. I’m saying.. it means we need to understand the history accurately. We need to understand his view and not provoke him to do anything even worse.

It seems, to me at least, that the western media is trying to propaganda away all the previous history here and to drum up support for us as the “good guys” and ignore everything else.

If we are going to endanger British lives, it should be done with all of the facts on the table.

We shouldn’t go to war under a cloud of lies like we did in Iraq.
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The Russians funded the IRA in 1927 but not since as far as I know, more money came from the USA. We are not looking to fund a war, NATO wants peace, UK wants peace, USA wants peace, Ukraine wants peace, the only ones who want war are Putin and his cronies
 
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My family is from Mannheim. Please do not use this as a dogwhistle.
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I hope they’re ok. Sad to see what their terrible immigration policies have done.

Back to the topic at hand;

Keir Starmer seems to think it’s wise to continue provoking Putin instead of genuinely striving for peace. These are the odds he is facing:

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This doesn’t even take into account the fact that they still have a large manufacturing base which could be immediately used to aid the wartime effort - which we simply do not have.

Europe outsourced its manufacturing long ago to countries that would likely be neutral or allied with Russia.

This is why I find his posturing so embarrassing.
 
Osvaldorama said:
You mean all of those currently sovereign nations who have not been invaded?

I am not saying you’re wrong. Maybe that is his intention. Maybe he is crazy enough that he will continue to expand.

Maybe the western strategy of turning Ukraine into a meat grinder will stop that from happening and we’ve played a blinder. (Not for the Ukranian’s though, and it’s their young men that have all of my sympathy. Fighting and dying for such a pointless war)
It’s a grim strategy but it’s plausible that’s what the intention has been.

I still don’t see any reason to put British troops on the ground, or give Ukraine weapons that can target Russia. Both of those things are way, way too far. To advocate for these things is letting emotions cloud rational judgement
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This war is not pointless to the Ukranians or to Putin, the point of a Peace Keeping Force is to keep the peace, not to fight a war.
 
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Osvaldorama said:
https://x.com/dineshdsouza/status/1895611116962840722?s=46

For anyone interested, Elon musk has just done a 3 hour chat with Joe rogan discussing USAID, misallocation of taxpayer money, NGOs etc

Very interesting to hear straight from him
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Os, I promised I'd listen to this, and I've done 40 minutes so far, but to commit to another 2 hours and 20 minutes of my day, I'm going to need to have some help here.

So far, it's utterly embarrassing. The first five minutes was some of the most excruciating podcasting I've ever had the misfortune to watch, but I thought 'okay, let's ignore this and let them get on to the main stuff'. It's two 'bros' slapping each other on the back. Rogan is clearly either woefully under-researched on things, or he's just not interested in challenging Musk on anything at all. I'm not going to sit for another 2 hours listening to him saying "wow" and "you're kidding" and just agreeing with anything coming out of Musk's mouth. The very few times he mistakenly asks a question to clarify something, Musk stumbles and says "well I think so" or something along those lines.

If you tell me it changes and becomes an actual discussion that has any substance and challenge, then I'll hold my nose and carry on.

I've already said I think the concept of DOGE is a sensible one, but that it needs an adult to run it properly. There's nothing at all I've seen/heard on this so far that has changed my view on either point - in fact, it's solidified the second part of that harder.
 
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Osvaldorama said:
I hope they’re ok. Sad to see what their terrible immigration policies have done.

Back to the topic at hand;

Keir Starmer seems to think it’s wise to continue provoking Putin instead of genuinely striving for peace. These are the odds he is facing:

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This doesn’t even take into account the fact that they still have a large manufacturing base which could be immediately used to aid the wartime effort - which we simply do not have.

Europe outsourced its manufacturing long ago to countries that would likely be neutral or allied with Russia.

This is why I find his posturing so embarrassing.
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The express printing a load of irrelevant bollocks as usual, comparison with NATO is more appropriate. The decimation of Russian military over the last three years, their piss poor commanders and logistical nightmare shows they would be no match for NATO forces te extremely unlikely event of a war.
https://bestdiplomats.org/nato-vs-russia-military-comparison/
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Osvaldorama said:
I hope they’re ok. Sad to see what their terrible immigration policies have done.

Back to the topic at hand;

Keir Starmer seems to think it’s wise to continue provoking Putin instead of genuinely striving for peace. These are the odds he is facing:

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This doesn’t even take into account the fact that they still have a large manufacturing base which could be immediately used to aid the wartime effort - which we simply do not have.

Europe outsourced its manufacturing long ago to countries that would likely be neutral or allied with Russia.

This is why I find his posturing so embarrassing.
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Oh dear, oh dear. How old are these numbers, please, Os?

Sorry to disappoint you, but Russia has lost over 10,000 tanks in Ukraine alone. That's two thirds of the number that your cute graphic states. Hahaha. They have had their arses seriously handed to them in this war, and if Ukraine was equal in personnel and equipment, the war wouldn't have lasted more than a year.

And that's Ukraine. Ukraine's equipment, until they started getting help, was extremely basic.

You really think Russia has a million soldiers to put up in another fight? Then why are they using conscripts, prisoners, and f*cking North Koreans? Loool.

Russia has lost 30 ships and a submarine, to a country that doesn't even have a Navy!

The only thing they have that scares other Western nations is the nukes. Apart from that they are so incredibly incompetent, that I think even just a small alliance of Euro nations (UK, France, Poland), would defeat them in a very short period of time.

Why do you love them so much anyway? F*cking weird, mate.
 
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StJabbo1 said:
The express printing a load of irrelevant bollocks as usual, comparison with NATO is more appropriate. The decimation of Russian military over the last three years, their piss poor commanders and logistical nightmare shows they would be no match for NATO forces te extremely unlikely event of a war.
https://bestdiplomats.org/nato-vs-russia-military-comparison/
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Ok now where does the fuel come from to power these vehicles?

Europe has decimated their energy infrastructure to the point that it still has to purchase Russian energy even now.

With America refusing to backstop NATO, would they help? Possibly not.

Not to mention all of the above forces are relatively pointless when you consider that Russia has thousands of nuclear weapons.

Basically Starmer wants to risk the annihilation of the UK on a vanity project, instead of being a grown up. He is a very dangerous prime minister, perhaps the most dangerous in our lifetime
 
Che’s Godlike Thighs said:
Oh dear, oh dear. How old are these numbers, please, Os?

Sorry to disappoint you, mate, but Russia has lost over 10,000 tanks in Ukraine alone. That's two thirds of the number that your cute graphic states. Hahaha. They have had their arses seriously handed to them in this war, and if Ukraine was equal in personnel and equipment, the war wouldn't have lasted more than a year.

And that's Ukraine. Ukraine's equipment, until they started getting help, was extremely basic.

You really think Russia has a million soldiers to put up in another fight? Then why are they using conscripts, prisoners, and f*cking North Koreans? Loool.

Russia has lost 30 ships and a submarine, to a country that doesn't even have a Navy!

The only thing they have that scares other Western nations is the nukes. Apart from that they are so incredibly incompetent, that I think even just a small alliance of Euro nations (UK, France, Poland), would defeat them in a very short period of time.

Why do you love them so much anyway? F*cking weird, mate.
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Such an odd post. Trying to estimate the outcome of Starmer’s foolish war games does not equate to loving Russia.
 
Osvaldorama said:
Ok now where does the fuel come from to power these vehicles?

Europe has decimated their energy infrastructure to the point that it still has to purchase Russian energy even now.

With America refusing to backstop NATO, would they help? Possibly not.

Not to mention all of the above forces are relatively pointless when you consider that Russia has thousands of nuclear weapons.

Basically Starmer wants to risk the annihilation of the UK on a vanity project, instead of being a grown up. He is a very dangerous prime minister, perhaps the most dangerous in our lifetime
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Yes, even in that circumstance America would help, because we’d be paying them for the fuel. The amount of nukes you have is pretty irrelevant, by the way, as it only takes one before MAD occurs.

Nobody is suggesting attacking Russia btw.
 
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Che’s Godlike Thighs said:
Oh dear, oh dear. How old are these numbers, please, Os?

Sorry to disappoint you, mate, but Russia has lost over 10,000 tanks in Ukraine alone. That's two thirds of the number that your cute graphic states. Hahaha. They have had their arses seriously handed to them in this war, and if Ukraine was equal in personnel and equipment, the war wouldn't have lasted more than a year.

And that's Ukraine. Ukraine's equipment, until they started getting help, was extremely basic.

You really think Russia has a million soldiers to put up in another fight? Then why are they using conscripts, prisoners, and f*cking North Koreans? Loool.

Russia has lost 30 ships and a submarine, to a country that doesn't even have a Navy!

The only thing they have that scares other Western nations is the nukes. Apart from that they are so incredibly incompetent, that I think even just a small alliance of Euro nations (UK, France, Poland), would defeat them in a very short period of time.

Why do you love them so much anyway? F*cking weird, mate.
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We also have Turkey on our side, who have a very large military.
 
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