Its related to Neo-Liberals that parade as Centrists having no ****ing clue about anything!
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cgedwp08dwdo
A man who stoked a fire outside a hotel housing more than 200 asylum seekers has been jailed for nine years - the longest sentence passed to date after widespread violence erupted across the UK last month.
A man who stoked a fire outside a hotel housing more than 200 asylum seekers has been jailed for nine years - the longest sentence passed to date after widespread violence erupted across the UK last month.
The part of a mob/personal responsibility dynamic. It would help him to imagine that he was the only one on the street carrying out these acts. Then realise he wasn't a good patriot defending his country from invading *****philes, he alone chose to become a murderous racist lunatic.
There were no articles like this when the coalition and the following Tory government were blaming Labour! A good ten years of going on about ‘no money left’ and ‘Labour always destroy the economy’.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cx28d72948vo
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cx28d72948vo
They were still doing it weeks before the election, 14 years on!
Kuenssberg has always been fairly questionable in terms of her ‘balance’.
The challenge for the new gov is that they've not only got to be better than the previous 14 years, but they've got to appear to be better to a majority of the voting population
I do think the Beeb have a point,at some point your main message needs to be a positive one
I'm taking the positives where I see them at the moment, but I'm a believer and soon they'll have to convince some of those who are more skeptical
To be fair to Laura Keunssberg, she does say in that article that it is not only convenient for Labour to blame the the last government for the state of the country, it also legitimate.
Forget the article. 95% of people will only read the headline - and that is the carefully constructed undermining of Labour.
To prove my point. Here is a similar article from 2011. If you get towards the end you can see that Labour were spending at an acceptable level. However the headline is:
Ed Miliband: there was no money left.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/nickrobinson/2011/01/miliband_no_money.html
The Tory machine is desperate to keep their boys in charge. I think, by the way, that the BBC is one of those companies guilty of employing a vastly disproportionate number of private school educated people…
Ed Miliband: there was no money left.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/nickrobinson/2011/01/miliband_no_money.html
The Tory machine is desperate to keep their boys in charge. I think, by the way, that the BBC is one of those companies guilty of employing a vastly disproportionate number of private school educated people…
It's not just Starmer blaming the Tories, Laura should have a read on here, there's plenty of whingeing still going on despite having a new government in place.
The reason for that is, day after day for the last 14 years nearly every posts have been critical of the Tory government. That's fair enough, it's the politics thread but now they're gone you don't know what else to write about except how the last government left a mess for Labour. This thread should be about how everything is now starting to look rosy but so far there's nothing. Even more woeful than that is Two Tier saying, "things will get worse".
If Two Tier can only make things worse and if they can't deal with the the ****show they've been left with, what is the point of Labour taking power?
The reason for that is, day after day for the last 14 years nearly every posts have been critical of the Tory government. That's fair enough, it's the politics thread but now they're gone you don't know what else to write about except how the last government left a mess for Labour. This thread should be about how everything is now starting to look rosy but so far there's nothing. Even more woeful than that is Two Tier saying, "things will get worse".
If Two Tier can only make things worse and if they can't deal with the the ****show they've been left with, what is the point of Labour taking power?
This is a bit like the Brexiteers waiting for the economic upturn, and the march towards the sunlit uplands of living in a country freed from the shackles of being in the European Union.
It’s not whinging, to point out that the hopeless shower of clowns, from Cameron to Sunak, have laid the country to waste, left public services at breaking point, and the economy on it’s knees. Thems just the facts.
I also think we have barely mentioned it. I doubt IOAG could find 3 unconnected posts where people start going on about Tory mismanagement of cash, let alone the constant bleating he alludes to. However, the Tories are **** at money and ****ed our country. Fact.
This looks like you are saying that the likelihood of things getting rosy under a Labour government have as much chance as an economic upturn after Brexit, Lemons.
I agree, and it looks like Jabs and Loading agree too.
Late to the convo, but I do get where the BBC were coming from with that article.
we can’t compare what happened in the press 14 years ago either as it is now a different animal.
We are where we are I say, stop moaning and let’s get on with making Britain great again. (Tioon7’s slogan MBGA).
We can moan about the past, but it’s not about that now, new regime and it is all about how we fix it.
we can’t compare what happened in the press 14 years ago either as it is now a different animal.
We are where we are I say, stop moaning and let’s get on with making Britain great again. (Tioon7’s slogan MBGA).
We can moan about the past, but it’s not about that now, new regime and it is all about how we fix it.
I have no idea what is going to happen. However, Starmer exudes competence and stability.
Boring traits but vastly better than anything else on offer.
All those things you mention have already been pointed out for the last 14 years and are quite likely correct. And although it was an echo chamber for posting things to each other during that time, it was at least aimed at the government of the day.
My post though, is that I can't find anyone saying anything positive yet about Starmer's government. It has mainly (if not totally) been about the awful Conservatives and what they've left behind. I'm not even saying that it's all untrue but surely there has been some positivity to mention rather than just concentrating on the negative blame game? You have, after all, got what you wanted after 14 years of waiting, you should be dancing and singing.
My impression is that there is a uneasy feeling permeating through Team Labour on this thread around what has been done and what has been mentioned as possible targets. That's what I feel is the reason for the lack of enthusiastic Labour posts so the only option is to carry on blaming (whinging at) the Tories. As Laura says, that strategy won't last forever.
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My post literally before this:
I have no idea what is going to happen. However, Starmer exudes competence and stability.
Boring traits but vastly better than anything else on offer.
Maybe we are uneasy because we want more action. However, everyone I know in the real world is comforted that these are not the horrifically pathetic and incompetent tories.
By the way, after 14 years the Tories were still asking for time to fix things. 14 years.
I can give Labour 5 quite happily.
Thing is, it’s not even what the BBC are saying. It’s an opinion piece, so it’s Kuensberg’s opinion. Nothing more.