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Here's a question on the (extreeeeemely problematic) "we're letting the wrong immigrants in and it's causing crime" thing: if that's the case, why has crime declined so much?

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-46984559

Here's the crime rate, from 1980-on:

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During that same time, the percentage of foreign-born residents of the UK increased sharply: in 2021 it was estimated at 14.4%, whereas it was 6.2% in 1981.

So, you have more than a doubling of the population of foreign-born people, and more than a halving of the rate of crime (and a decrease of nearly three-quarters versus the peak in the early 90s). Doesn't really look like the UK is importing huge numbers of criminals...hell, if anything, the numbers suggest that all of these immigrants are diluting the natural criminal tendencies of the British people.

(Same trend holds in Canada, the US and elsewhere, for what it's worth, and presumably Australia, the country that resulted from the first attempt to dilute the natural criminal tendencies of the British people)
 
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Pfizer have updated their official site to acknowledge that the vaccines cause heart issues, particularly in young / adolescent men.

Another “conspiracy theory” comes true.

What a surprise.
 
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Pfizer have updated their official site to acknowledge that the vaccines cause heart issues, particularly in young / adolescent men.

Another “conspiracy theory” comes true.

What a surprise.
Whilst not disputing it, ‘an increased risk’ is not ‘vaccines cause heart issues’

There is an increased risk that I die in a car accident if traveled to work every day, rather than work from home.

Edit: have you also read the disclaimers on any form of prescription that you take. It says similar about similar things
 
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Pfizer have updated their official site to acknowledge that the vaccines cause heart issues, particularly in young / adolescent men.

Another “conspiracy theory” comes true.

What a surprise.
Who said that was a conspiracy theory? They didn't give the vaccine to the majority of children did they as there was no benefit unless they were vulnerable.
 
Whilst not disputing it, ‘an increased risk’ is not ‘vaccines cause heart issues’

There is an increased risk that I die in a car accident if traveled to work every day, rather than work from home.

Edit: have you also read the disclaimers on any form of prescription that you take. It says similar about similar things

I mean, the increased risk of myocarditis was something they explicitly told me about (because I fell into that age cohort) every single time I got the COVID vaccine. There was never any conspiracy. It's just that actual COVID is about 10 times more likely to cause myocarditis than the vaccine, so refusing the vaccine to avoid myocarditis is a bit like refusing to drive because it's unsafe, and skydiving to your destination instead.
 
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Pfizer have updated their official site to acknowledge that the vaccines cause heart issues, particularly in young / adolescent men.

Another “conspiracy theory” comes true.

What a surprise.
Another “conspiracy theory” HASN'T come true.

https://www.gov.uk/government/publi...ination-guidance-for-healthcare-professionals
Background to myocarditis and pericarditis after COVID-19 vaccination and guidelines:

this is a very rare condition following vaccination (see the Medicines and Healthcare products Regulatory Agency’s (MHRA) monthly summary for the latest data)
most patients who develop symptoms do so within a week of vaccination
patients who develop symptoms have usually been vaccinated with a mRNA vaccine (Pfizer/BioNTech or Moderna)
myocarditis and pericarditis following vaccination is usually mild or stable and patients typically recover fully without medical treatment
myocarditis – a very small number of those with this condition have been admitted to hospital. In 2 studies from the US [footnote 1] [footnote 2], significant left ventricular (LV) fibrosis has been described in a high percentage of those children admitted to hospital, with a small percentage of these having non-sustained ventricular tachycardia (VT)

no long-term follow-up data is available yet on hospitalised patients
diagnosis of myocarditis and pericarditis should follow published international guidelines [footnote 3] [footnote 4]
the majority of cases appear to be mild and self-limiting; any acutely ill or unstable patients should be referred to hospital directly
the long-term consequences of this condition secondary to vaccination are yet unknown, so any screening recommendations need to be balanced against the frequency and severity of the disease with the aim to prevent complications, in particular of myocarditis (arrhythmias, long term myocardial damage or heart failure).
 
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I mean, the increased risk of myocarditis was something they explicitly told me about (because I fell into that age cohort) every single time I got the COVID vaccine. There was never any conspiracy. It's just that actual COVID is about 10 times more likely to cause myocarditis than the vaccine, so refusing the vaccine to avoid myocarditis is a bit like refusing to drive because it's unsafe, and skydiving to your destination instead.
With or without parachute? Parachutes, on rare occasions, have malfunctioned so should be avoided when skydiving.
 
Some rewriting of history going on here.

There were definitely people on this forum willing to label anyone who had concerns about taking a relatively new vaccine as anti-vax or a conspiracy nutter. I'm taking before any heart issues were ever known of.

People here actually wanted nurses sacked for not taking it <doh>
 
Like, it's still an insanely safe vaccine, with a far lower rate of significant complications than the vaccines routinely given (for decades) for measles, mumps, etc. Doesn't really seem like the vaccine-hesitant have been proven right here.
 
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^^Not sure if that was directed my way but for the avoidance of doubt that wasn't the argument I was making.
 
...hell, if anything, the numbers suggest that all of these immigrants are diluting the natural criminal tendencies of the British people.

Surely there's a credible argument to be made that crime rates have dropped in the UK (and other countries) despite immigration though.

Expanding middle class, better education system, yadda yadda.
 
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Surely there's a credible argument to be made that crime rates have dropped in the UK (and other countries) despite immigration though.

Expanding middle class, better education system, yadda yadda.

Was all that done under a Tory government <laugh>

Just kidding btw, I have no idea who was in power at various times, just funny if it were…
 
Surely there's a credible argument to be made that crime rates have dropped in the UK (and other countries) despite immigration though.

Expanding middle class, better education system, yadda yadda.

Yes, much as I agree with much of what Schad says as a general rule, I'm not sure that can be used as a pointer toward the safety/success of large scale immigration. I haven't checked the figures, but I'd suspect that data from somewhere like Sweden would paint a different picture (much as they've tried to plaster over how such immigration has been a disaster there for social cohesion).

It's not an easy situation, and the critical thing for me is integration, which should be part and parcel of acceptance, and a defined course of action. I'm all for controlled and sensible immigration, but it's a very difficult thing to accomplish.
 
Here's a question on the (extreeeeemely problematic) "we're letting the wrong immigrants in and it's causing crime" thing: if that's the case, why has crime declined so much?

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-46984559

Here's the crime rate, from 1980-on:

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During that same time, the percentage of foreign-born residents of the UK increased sharply: in 2021 it was estimated at 14.4%, whereas it was 6.2% in 1981.

So, you have more than a doubling of the population of foreign-born people, and more than a halving of the rate of crime (and a decrease of nearly three-quarters versus the peak in the early 90s). Doesn't really look like the UK is importing huge numbers of criminals...hell, if anything, the numbers suggest that all of these immigrants are diluting the natural criminal tendencies of the British people.

(Same trend holds in Canada, the US and elsewhere, for what it's worth, and presumably Australia, the country that resulted from the first attempt to dilute the natural criminal tendencies of the British people)

Correlation does not equal causation my friend. I can think of a plethora of reasons why crime numbers are receding (despite horrendous cuts to policing I might add.)

For one, we have security / cameras in a lot more places than ever before.

Unfortunately there are certain demographics which genuinely hate the west and want to propagate violence. You can bury your head in the sand if you like, but look where that is taking us.

Slightly different note as it isn’t terror related, but we are becoming a low-trust society in the big cities as crime rates soar in localised areas. We are getting to the point where you would be stupid to wear a nice watch out in London for example.