Cardiff only have 3 home matches. 
I'm not saying you love Trump or that you weren't a leaver. I meant "you" as in "the voters."
I'm saying that ultimately this is what people voted for, and they are responsible. Are the politicians ****ty? Sure, but they keep getting elected and many of them were elected precisely because they were ****ty. The hardliners were never going to side with May, because they want to blow up the system. Mostly for their own power and enjoyment, but whatever they've fooled enough people. You can't blame the government as being dysfunctional if the majority of people voted for Brexit, and they are getting what they voted for.
It's the exact same in the US. The more Trump is exposed as a buffoon and a liability, the more they like him because they think if he is annoying the rest of the world he must be on their side. We can blame our Republican party for rolling over for Trump, possibly even strategize a way to vote them out of office. Maybe even defeat Trump himself. But the Trump voters will still exist, they will still feel the same way they do now, probably even more adamantly. Things will not change. The broken politics and lousy policy decisions are just the symptoms. The voters are the cause.
There's no political way out of it. For either of our countries. The far-right is either going to have to come to their senses somehow-- and only they can do this because they certainly won't listen to anyone on the left or center-- or this goes on until the whole country falls.
The only real way out is that at least the crazy people are mostly old and the reasonable people mostly young. So maybe we can manage to keep our **** together until the old people naturally die out. Horrible way to win, but I don't see another way out other than by attrition.
Some one give me some hope!
I'm not saying you love Trump or that you weren't a leaver. I meant "you" as in "the voters."
I'm saying that ultimately this is what people voted for, and they are responsible. Are the politicians ****ty? Sure, but they keep getting elected and many of them were elected precisely because they were ****ty. The hardliners were never going to side with May, because they want to blow up the system. Mostly for their own power and enjoyment, but whatever they've fooled enough people. You can't blame the government as being dysfunctional if the majority of people voted for Brexit, and they are getting what they voted for.
It's the exact same in the US. The more Trump is exposed as a buffoon and a liability, the more they like him because they think if he is annoying the rest of the world he must be on their side. We can blame our Republican party for rolling over for Trump, possibly even strategize a way to vote them out of office. Maybe even defeat Trump himself. But the Trump voters will still exist, they will still feel the same way they do now, probably even more adamantly. Things will not change. The broken politics and lousy policy decisions are just the symptoms. The voters are the cause.
There's no political way out of it. For either of our countries. The far-right is either going to have to come to their senses somehow-- and only they can do this because they certainly won't listen to anyone on the left or center-- or this goes on until the whole country falls.
The only real way out is that at least the crazy people are mostly old and the reasonable people mostly young. So maybe we can manage to keep our **** together until the old people naturally die out. Horrible way to win, but I don't see another way out other than by attrition.
Some one give me some hope!
Not sure if a GE would resolve matters but I feel JC would bea better person to try and heal the divisións that exist the length and breadth of the country. I would prefer David Lammy myself to lead the Labour party. As for the Tories, they could do worse than recruit the out of work Rajoy. If Guardiola and Klopp are good enough to lead footballing empires, Rajoy is more than adequate to replace May.
On May: "It's not right to pity her. She has been utterly hopeless throughout. She gave away her red lines in 2016 to win Conservative party support and has been limited by that decision ever since. She triggered the timetable of Article 50 without bothering to have a plan and then wasted precious months calling a snap election which only suceeded in removing her majority. She made countless political decisions to placate the extremist wing of her party rather than seek the kind of consensus which might conceivably have united the country. She treated parliament with utter contempt.
She lied and lied and lied. She lied as easily as she breathed. She followed a path based on the most mean-spirited and inward-looking of all possible political convictions. Her strategic failure has been equal only to her moral failure. She deserves all of the consequences of her actions and none of the pity which might normally have come with them."
From an excellent piece at: https://www.politics.co.uk/blogs/2019/03/12/lost-broken-ruined-may-humiliated-once-again-by-commons
Vin
Without doubt the worst PM in my lifetime and that's saying something!...
On May: "It's not right to pity her. She has been utterly hopeless throughout. She gave away her red lines in 2016 to win Conservative party support and has been limited by that decision ever since. She triggered the timetable of Article 50 without bothering to have a plan and then wasted precious months calling a snap election which only suceeded in removing her majority. She made countless political decisions to placate the extremist wing of her party rather than seek the kind of consensus which might conceivably have united the country. She treated parliament with utter contempt.
She lied and lied and lied. She lied as easily as she breathed. She followed a path based on the most mean-spirited and inward-looking of all possible political convictions. Her strategic failure has been equal only to her moral failure. She deserves all of the consequences of her actions and none of the pity which might normally have come with them."
From an excellent piece at: https://www.politics.co.uk/blogs/2019/03/12/lost-broken-ruined-may-humiliated-once-again-by-commons
Vin
Nissan next to leave maybe? Sad times for the car industry
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-47542011
I dunno. You guys are better informed about this stuff than I am but from my perspective it looks pretty bleak. You can get the EU to give you some more time, but what is going to change in 50 days or six months or a year?
This.Don't tell me: it's because of diesel, the universal scapegoat of the Brexiteers. It's a problem that only manufacturers of cars in the UK have (BMW/Audi/Peugeot/Seat don't suffer from the diesel problem because... er, magic) and diesel is the reason companies are moving production from the UK as fast as they can up sticks. Nothing to do with Brexit, oh no. It's diesel.
If you meet someone who makes this claim (and, boy, I've spoken to several), beware. Their critical thinking skills have been suborned by reading Brexit propaganda with common sense switched off. Handle with care.
Vin
We leave without a deal two weeks on Friday in the absence of action.
What a ****ing triumph!
Vin
Some one give me some hope!