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Its a complete mess. Of that majority who voted no to the deal? How many of them voted against because it wasn't close enough to Europe and how many because it wasn't far enough? How many voted no because they think they will get into government with a general election. How many voted for it because they wanted to agree to the will of the people. Its such a massive **** up so many vested interests! I'm about to start a new job, hope they don't pull the offer.
Fair enough and thank you for correcting me. We will have to see. if remain wins a second ref then so be it.
You want me to stop labelling you alt-right? Stop subscribing to daft alt-right conspiracy theories for a start.
Vin
Ditto leave. It'll be a catastrophe but we'll know exactly what's on offer and we'll deserve what we get.
Vin
You'll hate this but I agree. You'll hate more that Patrick O' Flynn (ex UKIP) tweeted exactly this earlier today:
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The first Ref asked the key question in or out. There has been no change in the fundamental position of voters as it is a binary choice, the second Ref should ask how - May's deal or no deal
Parliament did not "drag her in." She decided to grandstand. She didn't ask for a pairing. She has made a show of this when the reality is pairing or not this bill would be defeated heavily. But hey. The soundbites work.
Once again you've completely missed the point. This government already has form (during this parliament) on breaking pairing for their own benefit so why would anyone trust them to do so in this case? Did Guido forget to mention that?
Vin
Yes, i've worked on the decentralisation projects in Government - unfortunately departments are coming out but are relocating in the South, Not exactly helping the North!
No I am not missing it. Those contracts have only recently been handed out. Grimsby / Immingham are already talking about gains they have already made from expansion before contracts were handed out. Nothing to do with "alleviating" issues Dover has. All about taking the business permanently. They aren't talking about "helping out." The boss in his news interview was talking about taking advantage of opportunities.
We can all agree if Ralph was in charge we wouldn't be in this mess!!!!
It`s time that the will of the people (now) is realised and a referendum is held - enough of this endless bullshit.
Most of those that voted FOR will be on the government payroll, just like most of those that voted for May as leader were on her payroll. Very similar numbers. Ministers, PPSs, anybody that hasn't resigned will almost certainly voted FOR the deal.
Time's running out for a referendum, too. What needs to happen is:
- An application for an Article 50 extension of, I dunno, a year.
- A general election.
- That new government to try, and fail, to negotiate a sweetheart deal.
- A second referendum.
In that order. Because right now, with this defeat, there's nothing to hold a second referendum on; that should only take place when there's an actual deal negotiated, because otherwise you get back into the land of wishful thinking.
- An application for an Article 50 extension of, I dunno, a year.
- A general election.
- That new government to try, and fail, to negotiate a sweetheart deal.
- A second referendum.
In that order. Because right now, with this defeat, there's nothing to hold a second referendum on; that should only take place when there's an actual deal negotiated, because otherwise you get back into the land of wishful thinking.
Label me what you want. The problem is that you think everything that doesn't agree with what "we" are being told by the educated lot of "influencers" is a conspiracy theorist.
We shall see if the "forecasts" are right this month, next month, next quarter. One day they'll be somewhere in the ball park and we'll hear "see the experts told us" ignoring the raft of past incorrect ones (including the current ones.) And if China/US tip us into a global recession then of course we'll get the "because Brexit."
Yet I am the conspiracy theorist!
With respect you do talk utter utter drivel sometimes. There will be self-serving members on both sides of the fence.
The result of which would create a change the fundamental position of voters as to leave and remain so that would need to be asked again too. thus the need for an AV vote.