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when you were in school there was a good chance some moron would take a dislike to you and punch you in the face. Luckily they were probably quite small and couldn't do much damage and you could have a go back (best days of your life?) When you were an adult this was unlikely. If you are a fifty year old woman and being abused by a 15 stone moron it would be terrifying!
 
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Okay, that guy in the video is a proper moron. The police should have had him for breach straight away. Not sure what they were doing there, traffic cones would have been better.
But don't mistake him for all the disenfranchised millions who are getting louder each day. And please don't mistake morons like he for the mentally ill man who killed Jo Cox.
This thread is getting hot, so I'll leave it there.
 
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----HistoryRepeating---- said:
Got to be careful we don't blur the lines too much. Are you saying there's a connection, because that seems rather extreme to me.
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Of course there’s a connection, nothing happens in a vacuum. It might be a tenuous connection, but context is everything. These far right nutters have been getting more and more vocal for 2.5 years now.

Have you seen the news footage of Anna Soubry walking across Parliament Square surrounded by a baying mob? She looked genuinely afraid, and I don’t blame her.
 
----HistoryRepeating---- said:
Okay, that guy in the video is a proper moron. The police should have had him for breach straight away. Not sure what they were doing there, traffic cones would have been better.
But don't mistake him for all the disenfranchised millions who are getting louder each day. And please don't mistake morons like he for the mentally ill man who killed Jo Cox.
This thread is getting hot, so I'll leave it there.
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All it really needs is for the police to do their job, as you have suggested <ok>

People absolutely have the right to protest (peacefully).
 
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Onionman said:
Financial services companies have transferred around £800bn of assets from the UK to Europe since the 2016 referendum on EU membership. ...as not all firms have publicly declared the value of the assets being transferred, the total figure could be even higher.

https://www.investmentweek.co.uk/in...assets-move-to-europe-since-brexit-referendum

I know city firms aren't liked so here's why it's bad nes. Financial services are one of the UK's major exports. So, cheerio to the profits on managing these funds and goodbye to the tax take on them.

What a ****ing triumph!

Vin
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Agreed. Where I work some people were suggesting that it would be good if the bankers had to leave UK and went to Frankfurt or Paris instead. Not sure how they thought we would make up the sizeable loss in the tax revenue though?????
 
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ChilcoSaint said:
Don’t be ridiculous. They were right up in her face trying to obstruct her walking to Parliament.
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I don't agree with what they did. The police should have acted however.....were you so bothered the multitude of times it has happened to Farage? Or is it a case of "he deserves it?"

Not saying they should be doing this at all. I am just questioning that people don;t seem too bothered unless the person affected is "on their side." The more telling thing is there were police all over the place and they did nothing...........just like they do nothing if it were Farage.....or a Tory being spat at, screamed at, shouted at.

Soubry talks the talk about language and incitement and "decency" yet spends her day in the house trying to get her soundbites on telly where she openly calls other politicians "extremists". Is that not the same thing? Especially when it is then on every newscast (because she is a "hero.") She is preaching to her disciples. Is this not the same thing as those on the "right" are accused of?
 
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ChilcoSaint said:
Don’t be ridiculous. They were right up in her face trying to obstruct her walking to Parliament.
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So you;ve not watched the telly for a long time watching Mogg being mobbed and harangued. The baying mob outside Boris' house. Farage and his family being abused in the same way while they are eating out?
 
Onionman said:
Have you seen the video footage of what went on? If not, watch it. If you have, then please tell me that you haven't sunk so low as to think it was acceptable behaviour?

Vin
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No it is not acceptable........but this has been going on for a long time, not months, years and people seemed not to be bothered when it was people that they disagreed with.
 
ImpSaint said:
Not saying they should be doing this at all. I am just questioning that people don;t seem too bothered unless the person affected is "on their side." The more telling thing is there were police all over the place and they did nothing...........just like they do nothing if it were Farage.....or a Tory being spat at, screamed at, shouted at.
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have you gone a week without your Tories being spat at soundbite? boring! (isn't Soubry a Tory and that's what we're bothered about?) you are indeed a complete twonk who just argues for the sake of it!
 
SaintinSerbia said:
have you gone a week without your Tories being spat at soundbite? boring! (isn't Soubry a Tory and that's what we're bothered about?) you are indeed a complete twonk who just argues for the sake of it!
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There is a furore over this. Were you all being outraged at the AfD MP who was recently brutally attacked and hospitalised? I am not talking about Soubry per se. I am focusing more on there being outrage when it is "someone we like" and "pffft" when its someone we don't like.

The police should have stopped it. They should stop it everytime. If a crowd did this in a nightclub the bouncers would have been on it straight away, yet the police totally ignored it.

And for the whole "language" part that many talk about. Why did the guardian decide to put "politically motivated" in speech marks in their headline? Its as if they are questioning that it was politically motivated or initially had written deserved but decided against it.
 
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SaintinSerbia said:
when my kids talked a load of twonk I used to say "is it nice on planet Bongo?" pretty sure I made that one up!
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You'll be called a kipper by the rules of this forum. I keep getting called alt-right because I 'type MSM etc. so Planet Bongo must be a reference to Bongo Bongo land.
 
ImpSaint said:
There is a furore over this. Were you all being outraged at the AfD MP who was recently brutally attacked and hospitalised? I am not talking about Soubry per se. I am focusing more on there being outrage when it is "someone we like" and "pffft" when its someone we don't like.

The police should have stopped it. They should stop it everytime. If a crowd did this in a nightclub the bouncers would have been on it straight away, yet the police totally ignored it.
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Crikey. Following alt-right news to the extent that you think it's odd that none of us had anything to say on German right wing political news? I know you can't see it but you really are in very deep, aren't you?

Vin
 
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ImpSaint said:
Did I miss all the posts saying "this is terrible?"
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No you didn't. There weren't any.

Possibly that's because we're not immersed in the alt-right newsgroups where this is being reported heavily and commented upon. It's just another item in the news of no huge significance to people living in the UK. Why would you expect people in Southampton to be commenting on what's happened to a far-right politician in Bremen when we have plenty of madness in this country to deal with?

Vin
 
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Onionman said:
No you didn't. There weren't any.

Possibly that's because we're not immersed in the alt-right newsgroups where this is being reported heavily and commented upon. It's just another item in the news of no huge significance to people living in the UK. Why would you expect people in Southampton to be commenting on what's happened to a far-right politician in Bremen when we have plenty of madness in this country to deal with?

Vin
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So which "alt-right" newsgroups do you think I follow? I saw this on Guido if you want to know and because Guido is just snippets I ended up at the Guardian to read the detail.

I am not questioning these nutters should be allowed to harangue people as they do. I am questioning the undercurrent in this country of one side thinking the other side deserves it and only reacting when it happens to someone they agree with. I don't particularly like Soubry nor Farage or Boris but I think the chasing around and full on vitriolic behaviour of people who oppose them very worrying.

It is on both sides and in many cases it isn't solely nutters that are the perpetrators. Some "normal" folks are seemingly drawn into it if they think they are on the "right side." Then we have the problem that others say we shouldn't play politics with such things yet are very quick to try and pin things on political thinking.

The only thing I am questioning is how this Soubry incident is top billing and disgust all over the media. If that was Farage who had been mobbed or called out it wouldn't even be news.
 
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Brendan O Neill wrote an article in the Spectator in 2015 called:

If it’s not ok to hound Sienna Miller and Steve Coogan, why is it ok to hound Nigel Farage?

This was after Farage and his family were hounded in his local restaurant and as they tried to "escape" they jumped up and down on his car bonnet.

Was I following alt-right news back in 2015? Did anybody really care about Farage getting this treatment in 2015?

Did Brendan O Neill not have a point in 2015?

The Newsnight article is surprisingly balanced tonight on this subject showing that far from Soubry saying "this is a tiny minority of far right people" that it in the end is nothing to do with right/left or leave/remain but on both sides of the arguments. If you aren't watching it then use iplayer, first segment.
 
ImpSaint said:
So which "alt-right" newsgroups do you think I follow? I saw this on Guido if you want to know and because Guido is just snippets I ended up at the Guardian to read the detail.

I am not questioning these nutters should be allowed to harangue people as they do. I am questioning the undercurrent in this country of one side thinking the other side deserves it and only reacting when it happens to someone they agree with. I don't particularly like Soubry nor Farage or Boris but I think the chasing around and full on vitriolic behaviour of people who oppose them very worrying.

It is on both sides and in many cases it isn't solely nutters that are the perpetrators. Some "normal" folks are seemingly drawn into it if they think they are on the "right side." Then we have the problem that others say we shouldn't play politics with such things yet are very quick to try and pin things on political thinking.

The only thing I am questioning is how this Soubry incident is top billing and disgust all over the media. If that was Farage who had been mobbed or called out it wouldn't even be news.
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Because Farage's supporters don't give a ****. would be to worried about being called a snowflake to stand up for him.
 
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