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If only he showed that passion during PMQT, instead of giving the Government such an easy ride.
It's not just the media's fault, that Labour isn't getting anything out there. It's his fault as well for being so bland and not putting his message out there, in a manner that gets attention.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-3948489
Straight away somebody I was dealing with as she and her kids were living off blow up mattresses due to not being able to afford proper bedding was hit by this. No idea how she's going to cope at this point.
I will be the first person to say benefits need a serious overhaul but this is performing heart surgery with a sledgehammer.
Straight away somebody I was dealing with as she and her kids were living off blow up mattresses due to not being able to afford proper bedding was hit by this. No idea how she's going to cope at this point.
I will be the first person to say benefits need a serious overhaul but this is performing heart surgery with a sledgehammer.
http://news.sky.com/story/brexit-nigel-farage-jeered-in-eu-parliament-over-mafia-claim-10825910
Farage practising diplomacy.
Farage practising diplomacy.
I disagreeThey've drawn a line in the sand. Which Theresa May will be free to walk over at her leisure. Unless her own party stops her, which it might.
We're definitely ****ed though
German MEP Manfred Weber, the head of the conservative European People's Party (EPP!! This is the guy our UK Conservative Party should be sitting with in the EU Parliament. If the EU is good enough for mainstream Conservatives in Germany, Sweden, Holland, France, Spain, Italy and so on, it is just downright idiotic for the UK Conservative Goverment to walk away from it. The UK Conservative Party is a sham and an utter disgrace to the population of the entire UK.
http://news.sky.com/story/brexit-nigel-farage-jeered-in-eu-parliament-over-mafia-claim-10825910
Farage practising diplomacy.
I found this rather more appropriate than that UKiP sideshow:
Guy Verhofstadt, the EU Parliament's Brexit coordinator, said he expected the UK to rejoin the EU when the next generation "see Brexit for what it really is: a catfight in the Conservative party that got out of hand, a loss of time, a waste of energy, stupidity"
And so do I. Trouble is, it'll be 10 totally wasted years or more in which the living standard of the majority of the country will more than likely drop away. Not that that will concern Tories.
Can't see it myself. If we rejoin it's schengen, no rebate and the Euro. We'd have to have another referendum and I think things will have to go disastrously wrong for people to go for that especially after such a short space of time.
I know people like to bash the Tories but they are doing what they have been asked to do. It may not be what some of us voted for but that's democracy.
I know people like to bash the Tories but they are doing what they have been asked to do. It may not be what some of us voted for but that's democracy.
You sound like a little boy that hangs on to the dream that his divorced mummy and daddy are going to get back together.
Bad news daddy has shacked up with his secretary and mummy is getting pumped by Ahmed the Somalian refugee .
Ain't going to happen pal and there's no going back.
Democracy : doing what people didn't vote for.
It would be interesting to know what the referendum vote % would have been if we knew what our final conditions when we leave would be, when we actually voted.
Wont ever really know though.
Just an analogy.
If we succeed nobody will want to go back to the EU if we fail they won't want us back .
It's over man just try and come to terms with it.
Never say never but I'd be amazed if the UK rejoined in 10 years.
Let's not forget the EU's own (fairly major) problems, the Euro in particular. There will be a general election in Italy in the next year and polls have been showing 60% or more of voters supporting anti-Euro parties. So there's a chance Italy may soon leave the Euro, which would really set the cat amongst the pigeons.
Let's not forget the EU's own (fairly major) problems, the Euro in particular. There will be a general election in Italy in the next year and polls have been showing 60% or more of voters supporting anti-Euro parties. So there's a chance Italy may soon leave the Euro, which would really set the cat amongst the pigeons.
I'm not sure I follow this. The question was 'Should the United Kingdom remain a member of the European Union or leave the European Union?'. The vote was leave so we are. We weren't asked how we wanted to do it and there was plenty of information saying what the pitfalls would be including having to leave the single market because of free movement. To my mind they are doing what was voted for. People who voted leave presumably thought the risk was worth taking. We were never going to have a say in how it was implemented. Some seem to think that we couldn't cope with the question which was originally asked, imagine expecting people to understand the entire brexit deal and make a decision.
The thing is, is that people didn't cope with the simple decision. They were fed smoke and mirrors while almost every expert in their respective field said that it would be highly inadvisable to leave the EU**. In the end, just over half said they wanted to leave and just under half said they wanted to remain. That's not a decision made. The people didn't speak, they mumbled in confusion.
An example. Probably the most clued up overarching expert prior to the EU vote. Nobody listened**
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I actually thought you were saying the people who voted for brexit might have voted for something different to to what they are getting so I was just rewording it as a joke, but I can see what you meant now. Can be read both ways.
But in response the the part I put in bold: there was also plenty of information saying what the pitfalls wouldn't be including not having to leave the single market.
There was pretty much a counter opinion to every opinion and I'm sure many people just voted for what they wanted to believe leave meant.
That works both ways and there may well be more leave voters now but it would be interesting to know
I agree the information was there but how can you know that people didn't listen or understand? Maybe they just didn't care and thought it was worth the pain. We have no way of knowing why people voted how they did.
Yes it did depend who you listened to. If you listened to Cameron and the EU though the single market situation was pretty clear. Of course people may have thought they could call the EU's bluff but there really wasn't any reason for the EU to back down on that one that I could see.