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So Vance has just tweeted a new video of the ICE thug murdering that woman, and thinks it exonerates him. Not sure what he’s seeing in that video, but it shows the exact opposite to me.
The art of twisting a narrative so people can carry on following their tunnel vision bias. Lack of critical thinking. Bonkers
The only ONLY counter is that she should have just stayed still and calm - but given she had one Officer erratically circling her car and then another two aggressively shouting conflicting instructions 'leave' and 'get out of your ****ING car', she was probably extremely confused as well as panicked by the quick escalation.
However regardless of any of that;
ICE entirely create the situation and escalate it, without their rash impetuous and completely unprofessional behaviour she would be alive. You can simply say they are **** at what they do.
That is the standard professional agencies here would be held to, deescalation is a core tenet. (well except poor Jean Charles de Menezes).
There any thug can be given a gun and chucked at random civilians, although that appears to be the point - to try and draw a reaction for reasons that we can speculate on, notably some pesky elections due in November.
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What concerns me is that the mid terms could really go against Trump, and he’ll step up his mental
If the democrats win they actually have the ability to block a lot of what he has been doing, part of the problem is that Republican congress has just greenlit his every whim, even in areas that are their responsibility, not his. The moment they block him and start to reinforce their own powers will tell us everything about whether the situation can be recovered (well as much as it can be).
The guy just got wound up by her wife and lost the plot - ICE agents don't have any jurisdiction over American citizens, so they have no right to tell her to get out of the car or anything. It's murder with a rush of blood, but the fact that Trump's lot seem to think that video exonerates him in any way at all is mind-boggling.
I think he’s shown time and time again a disregard to law and processes. He’ll do what he wants and pardon himself at the end of his tenure
Just watched the footage fro the ICE cam. I cannot see on what planet that any sane person can say it is justified as self defence.
Yes she goes forward in her car, but clearly not AT the ICE agent. She tries to go to her right to get away and avoid him. Also, he is pointing a friggin gun at her so she is trying to get away. In a moment of panic if someone is pointing a gun at you, you will try to get away - if at the same time you knock the gun out of his hands good. If she was driving at him, the moment he shot her, the car would have carried on and gone into him and he would not have got out of the way.
Madness.
Yes she goes forward in her car, but clearly not AT the ICE agent. She tries to go to her right to get away and avoid him. Also, he is pointing a friggin gun at her so she is trying to get away. In a moment of panic if someone is pointing a gun at you, you will try to get away - if at the same time you knock the gun out of his hands good. If she was driving at him, the moment he shot her, the car would have carried on and gone into him and he would not have got out of the way.
Madness.
Trump, Vance etc live in a parallel universe, they lie so prolifically that they have come to believe that their lies are fact.
And yet Trump and Vance suggests otherwise and there are idiots out there who still believe them……..bonkers.
They’re so politically embattled that anything against their side is delusively defended. A bit like a football manager protecting his players, but that’s not life or death.
I’m hopeful that someone offering sanity to the American voters will win through in the next election. I wouldn’t be shocked that the republicans distance themselves from Vance.
True, but thus far he has had a completely passive Congress that basically doesnt exist, this has not been challenged yet in his second term and he went nowhere near this far in his first.
I don't think it will solve everything by a long stretch, but this is an area that hasn't been tested yet, many of the areas he is legislating for are actually Congress responsibility and the Republicans have just been allowing him to do it, the Democrats you would assume would try to reassert Congress authority and that will tell us a lot about where things are.*
If it wasn't going to at least be an annoyance for them, I don't imagine they would be working this hard to destabilise things prior to the mid-terms.
*I think, I am no US constitutional expert, if someone knows more than me go ahead and correct.
Of course it wouldn't surprise me if he got his Sturmabteilung (ICE) to go and capture his opponents at that point, but as said we will see.
(By the way is the new NOT606 formatting wrecked? I can't get it to remove italics after I applied them...)
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Although it is fairly likely the democrats will have a slight majority in the house, the senate will remain republican. The lack of impact from congress will remain the same because the senate will block anything the house passes. The real problem is the Supreme Court. Many lawsuits (200+) have filed to overturn the orange maniacs policies that overstep his authority and the court continues to let it happen. As they are life appointments, that will continue long after the orange one has left the planet.
My immediate reaction is shock that any sane person can argue that this is not cold blooded murder. The car was not weaponised in the least. This just makes Vance look really dangerous in condoning the officer's reaction. The whole matter is disturbing and suggests a legitimising of shoot to kill protesters ....the kind of thing Trump is complaining about happening in Iran.
Spot on. Trump condemns Iran for shooting protesters but condones ICE shooting protesters. ****ing maniac surrounded by sycophants.
I see the FIFA peace prize winner has been bombing in Syria again (no matter how justified the target). The Russians have ordered all their diplomats out of Iran as well, so expect a US/Israeli strike there by the end of the month. Particularly as there has been a lot of money movement in the States indicating that will happen.
i think the US dealing with Venezuela and Trump encouraging insurrection in Iran will play badly for Putin.