Off Topic Politics Thread

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Trump’s finally admitted defeat, albeit not accepting Biden’s election win as legitimate.

Notable tone shift in this speech. Suppose he needs time to pardon himself...

In all seriousness, would love to know the backstory of the last 24 hours because this speech isn’t remotely like Trump.

Some amusing editing cuts in there too!

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You can see the edits lol.

VERY unTrump like. Almost as if it is a deep fake video.
 
The criticism of the media is dangerously unspecific. We’ve seen four years of “fake news” and efforts to make journalists the enemy of the people. For every bootlicker like Tucker Carlson there’s more reporters like Daniel Dale, exhaustingly fact checking everything that comes out of Trump’s mouth. For every OANN and Fox, there’s a news source more bipartisan. Before the guy was even elected he was making free press the enemy. It’s right from the McCarthy playbook. It’s nothing new. Social media just made it that much easier for the GOP because there was no longer any need to work with traditional media outlets.

What this has really shown us is that literature analytical skills that are traditionally taught in subjects like history and English need to be a continued focus at every level of education. We’re in a new world now and those are going to be skills necessary to produce aware and secure people in future.
 
Wow, they are trying to blame Antifa for the riot! Lots of Trump supporters refusing to accept it was there lot that did it and one of the Republican politicians actually spreading fake news that Antifa caught on identity recognition cameras.

What has happened to integrity?


Truth decay mate (Obama's phrase).

Root canal surgery may be needed. Should probably begin rooting out the political and media figures who accelerated and encouraged the rot.
 
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I hate this catch-all of "the media" like it's all one amorphous blob.

Agree with you regarding social media though.


Definitely not an amorphous blob. The US print media, in particular, has quite a long and honourable tradition of respe ting and valuing journalistic integrity.

But all over the world the reasonable voices are failing to be heard, while the liars and crooks shout louder and louder. No surprise when you look at who owns and controls most of the media platforms. And no wonder the right in this country would love to drown the BBC in the bath.
 
The criticism of the media is dangerously unspecific. We’ve seen four years of “fake news” and efforts to make journalists the enemy of the people. For every bootlicker like Tucker Carlson there’s more reporters like Daniel Dale, exhaustingly fact checking everything that comes out of Trump’s mouth. For every OANN and Fox, there’s a news source more bipartisan. Before the guy was even elected he was making free press the enemy. It’s right from the McCarthy playbook. It’s nothing new. Social media just made it that much easier for the GOP because there was no longer any need to work with traditional media outlets.

What this has really shown us is that literature analytical skills that are traditionally taught in subjects like history and English need to be a continued focus at every level of education. We’re in a new world now and those are going to be skills necessary to produce aware and secure people in future.

This.
 
Definitely not an amorphous blob. The US print media, in particular, has quite a long and honourable tradition of respe ting and valuing journalistic integrity.

But all over the world the reasonable voices are failing to be heard, while the liars and crooks shout louder and louder. No surprise when you look at who owns and controls most of the media platforms. And no wonder the right in this country would love to drown the BBC in the bath.

And there is precisely the problem. You think that the right want to drown the BBC, whereas Loading thinks the BBC is owned by the tories.

Look, the only real problem with the BBC (and I say this as someone married to a person who is one of the most senior editors in a mainstream media outlet), is that they tie themselves up in knots to the point of inaction, because they are SO concerned with being unbiased.
 
And there is precisely the problem. You think that the right want to drown the BBC, whereas Loading thinks the BBC is owned by the tories.

Look, the only real problem with the BBC (and I say this as someone married to a person who is one of the most senior editors in a mainstream media outlet), is that they tie themselves up in knots to the point of inaction, because they are SO concerned with being unbiased.


The BBC is owned by the public. Which is precisely why the right want to have it put down.

Every time we have a Tory government, we start getting mutterings about the licence fee, and heavy hints about privatisation. Not to mention hysteria in the right wing press about Gary Lineker's salary. That's the same right wing press btw, that once paid Boris Johnson obscene amounts of money to write blatant untruths.
 
And there is precisely the problem. You think that the right want to drown the BBC, whereas Loading thinks the BBC is owned by the tories.

Look, the only real problem with the BBC (and I say this as someone married to a person who is one of the most senior editors in a mainstream media outlet), is that they tie themselves up in knots to the point of inaction, because they are SO concerned with being unbiased.
I did not see the lack of bias in the last election. I also struggle to see as unbiased an organisation where the leadership is appointed by the government - and they are now appointing another of their cronies to that position.
 
To be fair, I am not criticising the concept of the BBC - and most of what the BBC does is pretty honourable. I think it often falls onto bandwagons and fails to explore issues if they are difficult - like race. BBC Radio 4 however is excellent - so I am getting a bit waylaid by lazy TV viewing.
Tim Davie? He's very good.

Oliver Dowden. Former Tory advisor.

Sorry, responded to your message as I started another... Confusing.
 
To be fair, I am not criticising the concept of the BBC - and most of what the BBC does is pretty honourable. I think it often falls onto bandwagons and fails to explore issues if they are difficult - like race. BBC Radio 4 however is excellent - so I am getting a bit waylaid by lazy TV viewing.


Oliver Dowden. Former Tory advisor.

Sorry, responded to your message as I started another... Confusing.

Eh? He's the DCMS, not at the BBC...
 
I think I have maybe misrepresented myself. In my initial post I referred to the press, not the media, and the press in the UK is owned by about 5 rich men. I can find you the evidence for that if you like? I think quality press is essential for a good democracy - and our qualitty press is hard to find among the crap. The US written press I know little about. Television news does not rigorously enough explore the issues and allows soundbites to dominate too often.

I am not against the press or the media - I actually love both things! - but there is a danger that the rich and the few have too much of a voice. The answer was meant to be social media - but that is a mess of propaganda and madness.
 
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To be fair, I am not criticising the concept of the BBC - and most of what the BBC does is pretty honourable. I think it often falls onto bandwagons and fails to explore issues if they are difficult - like race. BBC Radio 4 however is excellent - so I am getting a bit waylaid by lazy TV viewing.


Oliver Dowden. Former Tory advisor --> Brain fart. Was reading the news about the new General of the BBC and it quoted Dowden and I am no good at multitasking. [edit]

Sorry, responded to your message as I started another... Confusing.

Erggghh this is why I shouldn't try to work from home and write on here at the same time...
 
And there is precisely the problem. You think that the right want to drown the BBC, whereas Loading thinks the BBC is owned by the tories.

Look, the only real problem with the BBC (and I say this as someone married to a person who is one of the most senior editors in a mainstream media outlet), is that they tie themselves up in knots to the point of inaction, because they are SO concerned with being unbiased.

The criticism of the BBC as favouring either end of the spectrum is so funny to me. If you search BBC bias you’ll find commenters on both sides claiming opposing bias.