Off Topic Politics Thread

Thankfully no Fats, I'd never leave if I started. I'll leave the arguing to you as you're a pro whereas I have been known to get a little...unpleasant in my choice of descriptive terms. And it's mostly wasted on the dumb ****ers anyway because you can't educate pork

 

Is it normal to feel seething hatred - Depends - they need to satisfy the criteria: Tory and Brexiteer.

Lord Howard - Michael Howard as was, laying into the government in the HoL. The Govester trying to tough it out. At this rate we will end up not trading with the EU at all. We will all be digging our allotments. Well the Brexiteers did want to turn the clock back. 2021 - the new 1941. Only the Yanks won't be rushing to save us this time.

 

A year ago yesterday Johnson gave this speech in Dublin alongside the Taoiseach Leo Varadkar:

“Thank you Leo and it is wonderful to be here. And I thank you very much for the warm welcome you’ve given us. You and I first met a few years ago when you and I jointly officiated at the St Patrick’s Day parade in Trafalgar square in London. It was a pretty joyous occasion. And of course we celebrated the incalculable contribution of the Irish community to London.

And there in the vast crowds was of course the living human embodiment of one of the densest and most intricate and most vital relationships in the world between any two countries.

And together Leo today we both recognise that our peoples are the beneficiaries of the efforts of our predecessors – politicians and others – who put aside differences, who found compromises, who took our countries forwards together in circumstances far tougher than now. And the results for both UK and Ireland are immense.

Not just a peaceful and open border but an economic partnership by which we eat I think 50 per cent of all the cheese and beef produced in Ireland, and we are talking a lot. And the very captain of the world cup winning English cricket team was born in this city.

And I think that our job now is to take that relationship forward and to build on it at the UK-Ireland summit in November, I look forward to that, and in all the ways in which the UK and Ireland work together around the world with shared values and shared interests.

As you rightly say Taoiseach, before November there are two political tasks that we simply have to do. We must restore the government of Northern Ireland at Stormont, and I promise to work with you on our shared objective. And we must get Brexit done because the UK must come out on October 31, or else I fear that permanent damage will be done to confidence in our democracy in the UK.

And I know that this problem of Brexit was not, to be perfectly frank, a conundrum that Ireland ever wished for and I think there are three basic questions we need now to answer for the sake of our collective peace of mind.

Can we ensure that we continue to have unchecked movement at the border of goods and people and indeed cattle? I think the answer is yes – and as someone who went to the border several times before the Good Friday agreement, and shuddered to see watchtowers on UK soil, I can say now that the UK will never ever institute checks at the border, and I hope our friends in the EU would say the same.

Can we uphold the Belfast Good Friday agreement in all its particulars? Again I say the answer is yes, and our commitment to the peace process is unshakeable. Can we protect the economic unity of the island of Ireland and the gains that Ireland has won through its membership of the EU single market? And again I think the answer is yes – and I think we can achieve all these things while allowing the UK to withdraw whole and entire from the EU.

And of course I acknowledge the complexities involved. And the symbolism and the sensitivities evoked by the very concept of a border. But strip away the politics and at the core of each problem you find practical issues that can be resolved. With sufficient energy and a spirit of compromise, and indeed even the current treaty must logically envisage that the problems can be solved, or the present protocol would never have been called a backstop.

So if I have one message that I want to land with you today Leo, it is that I want to find a deal. I want to get a deal. Like you, I’ve looked carefully at no deal. I have assessed its consequences, both for our country and yours. And, yes, of course, we could do it, the UK could certainly get through it. But be in no doubt that it would be a failure of statecraft for which we would all be responsible and so, for the sake of business, and farmers, and for millions of ordinary people who are now counting on us to use our imagination and creativity to get this done, I would overwhelmingly prefer to find an agreement.

Our governments have spent three years masticating this problem. I think it is time to honour the achievements of our predecessors who tackled far worse problems by cracking this one ourselves. I won’t say that we can do it all today, but I believe there is a deal to be done by Oct 18. Let’s do it together.“

Did he ever have any intention of honouring a single one of those fine words? Somehow I doubt it.

 

Did Ian Thumwood just hack your account?

 

I wanted Mr Johnson’s glorious words to be seen in full, and savoured for all theit delicious irony.

 

by the way, there was a question on your avatar on The Chase today... answer: a box

 

I saw that. My wife was impressed that I had even heard of Schrodinger’s Cat.

 

I know and I'm so sorry, I just couldnt resist.

That was like maybe one breath for Ian, too.

Ian - I'm just kidding btw, no offence meant

 

See, this forum is educational

 

Don’t make false assumptions.
I never said I knew what it was.

 

A suggestion from a doctor who does regular videos, reference the government. He has created a letter template for others to use, which looks quite reasonable.

 

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/technol...deal-brexit-chance-uk-create-1-trillion-tech/

So, and I know I am going to sound like I am wearing a tin foil hat here.

But all of this ****e.

Passing laws that violate the Good Friday Agreement.

Losing our ability to live and work in the EU.

Deliberately crashing out of the European Union with no deal.

Threatening the integrity of the UK.

...Is just so Dominic Cummings can legalize state aid to have a pop at being Elon Musk? (with the added bonus of him and his mates being able to directly pocket handfuls of tax payers cash in the process of course).

 

Spaffer Johnson's Moon shot idea apparently came about as a consequence of all the pregnancy tests his girlfriends have had to rush out and buy.

 

Let’s hope for a lower ratio of positive results this time

 

Lying turd of a man .......... (not you, Chilco)

 

Just been into Romsey to go to the bank (lost my wallet on wednesday with all my cards in it - perfect for these days of "we only take cards" and "sorry, we're not taking cash") and get some moolah ...........
Stopped on the way back to the car to take advantage of the stalls in the market selling onions, garlic and amazing tomatoes from Brittany and the one selling Olives and real Sicilian cannelloni. Had a chat in my pidgin French with the guy selling onions and my (even worse) pidgin Italian (could have done with No 7 here with me) with the guy selling those amazing cannelloni (bought some to treat myself!)
Very sad (but unsurprised) to find that they won't be coming back next year due to the situation and not knowing if, how and when they might be able to sell their produce here ................. Made me hate this bunch of utter ****wits in government and those complete tossers who voted for it ............... if only I could afford the insurance to go and live abroad ................

 

I am sure that many, who use that market, voted Brexit without even thinking about the impact it might have on their own options for buying foreign produce.
I have said before, on here, about the high number of lorries that arrive at the Lidl depot, every single day of the week, from Spain and Germany. Delays at the borders will mean inconsistent stock levels in the shops and poorer quality fresh products, but I am sure that will be “the fault of the EU”, in the eyes of the idiots who wanted this.

 

We now seem to be plumbing new levels of farce. The Govester on R4 just suggested that the EU are going to blockade Northern Ireland. Presumably Mutti Merkel still has a few U boats sitting around. The interviewer pointed out that we have now had four different explanations as to what the latest Cummings brainstorm is about. The Govester, as is his won't, merely waffled away the rest of the interview time without giving an answer.

The bloke sitting in for James O Brien on LBC yesterday was arguing that Remainers should now get behind Brexit. Well I for one know which side I'm on and it certainly isn't Waffle de Peffle et al. They've got us into this mess, let's see them get out of it.

 

I accept that Brexit is happening, but I will never get behind it.
I can’t support something that is likely to cause unnecessary harm to so many people, in so many different ways.
I am already buying in long life products, that disappeared from the shelves when the covid crisis began, to safeguard for the expected chaos at the borders and shortages in the shops.
I am even considering buying a small, backup freezer for additional food products, for when fresh produce starts getting delayed.
Then I will sit back and wait for the government to blame the EU for the shortages and disruption.