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Indiana said:
Defoe is regarded as a poacher, therefore is basically there at the end of a move to smash it in

I did say in the sentence above as well that none of them had anything to work with

The main problem in the side is as I said "Literally nothing in terms of creativity in the midfield to help him or any of the other strikers"

We need more creative midfielders
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Problem is that there's little room for poachers I the modern game! Phillips was a poacher but also had ability outside of that. Bent was a poacher full stop. Defoe is, for the most part, a poacher and little else. How many other clubs have poachers as their main striker? Not really sure there are any
 
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Gustavo's Gonads said:
To be fair, this can again be attributed to the poor quality of the midfield runners, the complete lack of ability throughout the side to find space, and the lack of any skilled dribblers ion the side bar PVA, AJ and Giacc.

Bony, Lukaku, Costa, none of them would be able to do anything with the lack of movement around them in the side, we always looked pressed and that is poor pass & move. The midfield is a massive issue and one we simply haven't resolved.
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True enough but when I see them drop deep I see them panic, they're rushed, lack the composer to look up and the balls to turn and face goal. Who's going to give them an option further forward when they're not capable of creating themselves the space to turn and pick a pass. It would just leave us wide open when they inevitably lose the ball. You're right about the midfield fella, which as why I said the forwards don't contribute themselves to creating chances rather than holding them solely responsible. Everyone needs to contribute. When our biggest attacking threat is a full back you now we need a lot of work on the attacking side.
 
Funky Dick said:
True enough but when I see them drop deep I see them panic, they're rushed, lack the composer to look up and the balls to turn and face goal. Who's going to give them an option further forward when they're not capable of creating themselves the space to turn and pick a pass. It would just leave us wide open when they inevitably lose the ball. You're right about the midfield fella, which as why I said the forwards don't contribute themselves to creating chances rather than holding them solely responsible. Everyone needs to contribute. When our biggest attacking threat is a full back you now we need a lot of work on the attacking side.
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Plenty of times I've seen Fletch pick up a ball on half way though mate and simply have no out ball due to the chronic lack of movement.

If a forward drops deep to collect a ball and there is no runner on, then they are restricted in what they can do, through little fault of their own.

I genuinely think Fletch & Defoe would score plenty if the midfield and movement was better.
 
It's the whole spine of the team that is the problem. As @Funky Dick has said elsewhere our centre halves are so slow they need covering by the midfielders who in turn have to play ridiculously deep. More pace in central defence would allow us to play a higher defensive line, which in turn would mean runners from midfield not having to make it upfield from our own 18 yard line in order to provide an out ball.

I've seen Catts for example play some wonderful passes, but if he is having to make them from deep in our own half they are not much use
 
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Gustavo's Gonads said:
Plenty of times I've seen Fletch pick up a ball on half way though mate and simply have no out ball due to the chronic lack of movement.

If a forward drops deep to collect a ball and there is no runner on, then they are restricted in what they can do, through little fault of their own.

I genuinely think Fletch & Defoe would score plenty if the midfield and movement was better.
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Like I said mate I agree, but the midfield doesn't make them any less or more comfortable on the ball which is what i'm on about, their footballing ability. I don't rate it, put a good midfield around them and Fetch would probably score loads, but he'd still be a **** footballer. I just like an up front option who can play football. Get one of them and CM who can create with a bit of pace thrown in there it gives more options to tailor our game to expose weakness on an opponent to opponent bases, at the moment we're stuck on a single default, extremely limited one dimensional setting. All Dick could do with them is get them to do the simple things right. We're limited mate. Improving this window but limited.
 
Reminds me a bit of the debates us United fans used to have about Berbatov. He was a silky player, a first touch to die for and had a beautiful finish in him. Trouble is, he never did any graft, lazy **** was more interested in tucking his stupid hair behind his ears and watching Rooney do all his running for him.

In the end he needed it put 2 yards out with an open goal or he wasn't interested, let's face it no team needs to pay £30m for that kind of striker.

Same applies here, you could get a young kid who would stand there thinking he's the **** and grab you two a season for peanuts, why pay somebody silly money to do it? If he has that much dosh he should at least get a hair transplant he looks like a grandma's whispy mole.
 
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Typical_Juan said:
If he has that much dosh he should at least get a hair transplant he looks like a grandma's whispy mole.
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He had one! Last year! <laugh> 25k and began thinning again instantly

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I wish we would have a it respect for our top striker, he will start playing for the swans bargin at 4 million.
 
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When you consider Blackburn want £14m for Rhodes then Fletch is worth far more than £4m. We have to be realistic though and I don't think we'll get a better offer ffor a player in last year of contract.

Hope it makes a deal ppossible that might have just been out of range beforehand.

I'd sell
Fletcher
Bridcutt
Buckley
Roberge
Mavrias
 
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From Nads
"I genuinely think Fletch & Defoe would score plenty if the midfield and movement was better"

So do I, but we won't get the chance to find out now :emoticon-0112-wonde
It's obvious to me that any forwards would benefit from better service, though :emoticon-0105-wink:
 
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