He hasn't shown it for us, that's all that matters as far as i'm concerned. 4m would be cracking business for 12m striker in his last year who's done **** all.
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He hasn't shown it for us, that's all that matters as far as i'm concerned. 4m would be cracking business for 12m striker in his last year who's done **** all.
I'd take 4 as it stands, prefer if we could swap him for someone like. I'd put him towards Matty Phillips like.
He will start of well then he go back to a lazy ****.
All our forwards need to go apart from Defoe.
When he came on the seen for us he was worth every penny and his first touch and hold up play made me skull beers! 5goals in first 4 games and I was thinking he was the real deal.. Time to move now thanks fletch
I refer you to the Arsenal game at the end of last year mate
Graham tbf was a bit of a lost cause going up against Mertesacker and Koscielny however, Fletch replaced him and they struggled for the rest of the game to even get near the ball he was shielding it that well... thats one example anyway
His pass percentage was 69.3%, Defoe's was 79.3%, Wickham 65% and Graham 63%... Therefore Fletch is only bested by Defoe...
In terms of Aerial duels, only Connor Wickham won more on average a game, Graham won half as many on average as Fletch
(Wickham 2.8, Fletch 2.6, Graham 1.3, Defoe 0.1 (Shortarse!)
Wickham, Johnson and Defoe lose possession more than Fletcher does on average in games
Also in terms of winning MOTM awards, he got the joint second most in our team...Pants got 4 and Fletch/PVA got 2...
On his day, (which isn't to often now) he's a good player. But his time at SAFC is up..
Plus he is a ****.
Premier League star Steven Fletcher filmed himself spitting on the back of a rickshaw driver taking him on a night out.
Then the shameless £12million Sunderland striker proudly posted a picture of the cabbie’s phlegm-covered jacket on Instagram with the message “Al spit on ya back ya c***.”
Plus he is a ****.
Premier League star Steven Fletcher filmed himself spitting on the back of a rickshaw driver taking him on a night out.
Then the shameless £12million Sunderland striker proudly posted a picture of the cabbie’s phlegm-covered jacket on Instagram with the message “Al spit on ya back ya c***.”
Problem with QPR is it will probably mean a massive wage cut(presuming they've learnt some lessons) A prem club ups our chances of actually getting the greedy **** to agree terms. He'll have payments on that hire purchace Lambo. He won't want to hand it back over, we all know his priorities.
Fair comment, not something we were realistically gonna attempt anyway.
Just hying Matty Phillips back out there randomly cos I really think he'd be class with Lens & Defoe. Ha.
Yeah mate but regardless of competition from team mates(I'm in the sell the lot stance), it's not good enough for the modern game. Don't like polished turd competitions. Fletch Graham and Wickham are all a long long way short of the required standard. They're getting dicked on by the type of player who never has a high passing % the poacher who hangs of the last man Defoe. Defoe should be the worst but he's the best, he's an old dog who's been dropped to an unfamiliar forward role and he's still beating them.
Polished turd comps aren't for me. Move the lot on starting wherever, and by the time we get rid of those three it will be about time to shift Defoe on too, providing we shift them gradually and don't go for wholesale changes which thankfully it doesn't look like we're doing. Get shot of the lot, two this summer, one the next, Defoe the season after where he'll be spent. I won't defend ****e because he's better than other pieces of ****e. Fletch and Graham in the last year, it's a no brainer they're the two to move on now imo.
I'd love Matty Phillips here mate. Stayed at clubs where he'll get game time. Teaches Sinclar a thing or two about who to manage a career. Phillips probably earned just as much at QPR anarl.
Yes but my original point was the case of, Fletcher, including the rest of the strikers have to feed off scraps...
There is no creativity in the midfield, the strikers are having to fashion there own chances
Dont get me wrong they arent the best players in the world, but imo Fletch is worth more than £4m and doesnt deserve half the jip he gets
Especially when looking at the stats he is our second best striker...
I think we need to get rid of this lad as soon as possible, he's had more than enough chances but he frequently looks disinterested and generally ****e. He's not very good as a target man, he hasn't looked like a goalscorer since his first few months at the club and is far too slow and lazy to be anything else. I'd love to think that he can turn it around and find some of his initial form for us but I just don't see it happening so we need to get whatever we can for him and send the big lugged **** packing.
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I know fella, and my point was in regards to that, when that happens they need to be able to help the team out as unit, when they drop deep to help out because they're not getting the service, they're not good enough footballers to do that. Strikers need to provide as well as score, that's why so few strikers hit 10 in a season, because the game has changed and forwards require a good all round game, ours don't. Strikers need to trigger attacking moves, not just finish them, they come up short in that area so they're in fact contributing themselves to the lack of chances we get. How many goals come from the forward dropping deep and providing for the players who run on ahead, How often do you see the likes of Bony, Lakuku, Costa, Bentake drop into their own half using their power and presence to contribute to build up. Our forwards aren't capable of that, but that's what's required these days imo.
Sorry Indi but I find that bold paragraph so contradictory. How can Defoe have nothing to work with when others aren't good enough? Either none of them have had anything to work with or they are not good enough? Fletcher hasn't looked arsed. Defoe has looked like he's here for a payday to me. Undoubted talent but has 3 goals! Wickham has 2 since Defoe signed as well - poor return from both but a 21/22 year old against "all that experience"? Neither return is good enough. Just an opinion though!
To be fair, this can again be attributed to the poor quality of the midfield runners, the complete lack of ability throughout the side to find space, and the lack of any skilled dribblers ion the side bar PVA, AJ and Giacc.
Bony, Lukaku, Costa, none of them would be able to do anything with the lack of movement around them in the side, we always looked pressed and that is poor pass & move. The midfield is a massive issue and one we simply haven't resolved.
Defoe is regarded as a poacher, therefore is basically there at the end of a move to smash it in
I did say in the sentence above as well that none of them had anything to work with
The main problem in the side is as I said "Literally nothing in terms of creativity in the midfield to help him or any of the other strikers"
We need more creative midfielders