Too many eyewitness accounts for anyone to suggest that it was anything other than a terrorist attack. For a couple of years after the event I spent a fair amount of time in New York working with people who had been in one of the buildings that morning. Some of them took compassionate redundancy, others never talked about it, some talked about it a lot. We brought one of the guys over to work in England. One evening we were stood up in the carriage way of a packed train which suddenly stopped. There were reports of an electrical blackout across London. I could see my colleague/friend starting to agitate. After a few minutes the train got going again and we got off at the next stop, one stop earlier than where we both lived. Experience had taught him that at the first sign of trouble you get the **** out.
Off Topic Paris Attacks !
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Yeah, I think everybody thought the first plane was an accident. Not until the second one hit - the one that killed my colleagues friend and most of Cantor's other staff - did the penny drop.
If only they'd known!....
Our lot exited the building after the first plane had hit the other tower. They were on the streets and saw the second plane hit the building they'd been in. Good call...
Yes, I think peace for Paris hashtags better join the queue behind peace for Palastaine, peace for Syria, peace for the Middle East in general.
Innocent people are exactly that,regardless of colour or creed.
Personally I got no time for mass hysteria and media fuelled propaganda where they shove something down our throats on a rolling 24 hr channel in the hope of diluting the atrocities these western countries cause and support in other parts of the world. I feel sorry for the idiots that take the media as gospel.
When the world admits that there is no difference between I.S, Isreal, UK and U.S govt and all that back them. Until then don't expect much sympathy from certain groups of people.
people only giving a **** because they think it could be them. Do you think the Palastinians, Syrians etc, don't wake up with the same fear? A threat backed and caused by bigger Western and Isreali agendas? But we don't care because we are more likely to be the Parisian and not the Palastinian.
Hypocrisy of the West lives long.
[HASHTAG]#peace[/HASHTAG] in Paris had better join the queue
Well said. I have made similar comments elsewhere.
Whilst what you said is true though, it doesn't mean that our thoughts shouldn't go to the victims of this latest tragedy.
No more false bullshit from you snivelling troll
I never considered anything legitimate, you are making up bullshit, because you are an idiot who think's he is smart, like you feel you dont need all of the information to know the information is wrong.
Never ever researched the other side of that topic have you? This is what gets me about you types, I talk about the subject, never claim it is actual fact, but then you come at me as if I said it was fact, and slate me for not believing the biggest lying apparatus in history, the US Media
To quote Tobes but it fits you too. "I don't need to know the official story to know the official story is true"
Now you are siding with a bigot. Also, I was referring to saint Tobes and TT when I said 3 ladies, not you.Plane flies through buiilding, no hole, seems legit
None of you can explain that and avoid it like the plagueAdmit you just belived 9\11 happened as is said, and only got affronted at other claims, without ever knowing yourself anything other than what the media told you. You never knew the official story that you defended, how ****ing pathetic is that.
Now you weasles will all band together because you belive the same thing, and group think.. you dont know what theat is, but you will now pretend to know, and if need be go quickly read up what it means ******.
In short, anyone who thinks they know something to be fact when they have not even looked at all aspects, is a ******, you Tobes TT Saint and the rest fit that perfectly.
So when you don't like the other opinion, invoke "crazy" or "conspiracy theorist" instead of proving anything, which none of you have ever done re 9\11
Sure most of the claims you made in defence of hte official story 2 years ago have turned out to be completely false, like the phone calls from the senator's wife. The FBI said they never happened, yet you used that as defence.
You used the "pull the wall defence" which Silverstein on film proves that untrue.
You used the Building 7 NIST collapse defence, but NIST theorised, for years after 9\11 as to what might of happened, it was not a factural record, it was a guess. You used that as a fact.
Of course you didn;t read the nist report, you went to a debunk spource and copied what you needed, no thinking, no ogic, copy paste
You are a failure in understanding and learning, because of your entrenchement in surreality.
Yes I'm bad beause "I disagree" and deserve to be ridiculed, which is originally why I got pissed at you, not the disagreement, but the awful attitude towards debate, which is why every simgle one between us has been partisan ever since.
You just will not admit your ignorance and I find you stick to "mainstream" history from corrupt academia, and all else is lie and conspiracy theory..
Of course you never heard of the Lavon affair or other such historical events. if you werent so historically illiterate, you would know terrorism has been used for centuries as a means to an end.
Dick Cheney only ordered the Airforce to Stand down on 9\11 during the attacks.
******
He's typical of the average Sun or Daily Mail reader. 15 months ago he classed the killing of 1800 innocent men, women and children as "tough ****". Anything you post he responds to with hate filled bile. I always find ppl who resort to this as funny bcos you know they've been exposed for the bigots they are
In short, ******s do the following.
Read something, disagree, for no reason other than existing belief.
Go into the internet and find the first thing that agrees, dont even read it, just paste it. Job done.
Tobes is epic for that, but you are as bad when it concerns certain subjects.
How many times was aI called the same becaue "I have it in for the rich" according to Tobes. Until the Guardian expressed the same but less factual sentiments. MSM made it real for you.. sad
When the truth aobut 9\11 finally does come out, I expect you pair to hang yourselves
Read something, disagree, for no reason other than existing belief.
Go into the internet and find the first thing that agrees, dont even read it, just paste it. Job done.
Tobes is epic for that, but you are as bad when it concerns certain subjects.
How many times was aI called the same becaue "I have it in for the rich" according to Tobes. Until the Guardian expressed the same but less factual sentiments. MSM made it real for you.. sad
When the truth aobut 9\11 finally does come out, I expect you pair to hang yourselves
I was called same over the whole **** thing, yet there are currently 5 large scale police investigations into homes and facilities for kids that are sealed for 70 ****ing years.
As I said, I don't buy into the phantom plane theory as I know dozens of people who were there and saw the planes hit the towers. They also saw the mayhem that followed including watching people jump out of the Towers to certain death. I have more faith in first hand accounts from people I'd known for years than a bunch of internet theories.No more false bullshit from you snivelling troll
I never considered anything legitimate, you are making up bullshit, because you are an idiot who think's he is smart, like you feel you dont need all of the information to know the information is wrong.
Never ever researched the other side of that topic have you? This is what gets me about you types, I talk about the subject, never claim it is actual fact, but then you come at me as if I said it was fact, and slate me for not believing the biggest lying apparatus in history, the US Media
To quote Tobes but it fits you too. "I don't need to know the official story to know the official story is true"
Plane flies through buiilding, no hole, seems legit
Admit you just belived 9\11 happened as is said, and only got affronted at other claims, without ever knowing yourself anything other than what the media told you. You never knew the official story that you defended, how ****ing pathetic is that.
Now you weasles will all band together because you belive the same thing, and group think.. you dont know what theat is, but you will now pretend to know, and if need be go quickly read up what it means ******.
In short, anyone who thinks they know something to be fact when they have not even looked at all aspects, is a ******, you Tobes TT Saint and the rest fit that perfectly.
So when you don't like the other opinion, invoke "crazy" or "conspiracy theorist" instead of proving anything, which none of you have ever done re 9\11
Sure most of the claims you made in defence of hte official story 2 years ago have turned out to be completely false, like the phone calls from the senator's wife. The FBI said they never happened, yet you used that as defence.
You used the "pull the wall defence" which Silverstein on film proves that untrue.
You used the Building 7 NIST collapse defence, but NIST theorised, for years after 9\11 as to what might of happened, it was not a factural record, it was a guess. You used that as a fact.
Of course you didn;t read the nist report, you went to a debunk spource and copied what you needed, no thinking, no ogic, copy paste
You are a failure in understanding and learning, because of your entrenchement in surreality.
Yes I'm bad beause "I disagree" and deserve to be ridiculed, which is originally why I got pissed at you, not the disagreement, but the awful attitude towards debate, which is why every simgle one between us has been partisan ever since.
You just will not admit your ignorance and I find you stick to "mainstream" history from corrupt academia, and all else is lie and conspiracy theory..
Of course you never heard of the Lavon affair or other such historical events. if you werent so historically illiterate, you would know terrorism has been used for centuries as a means to an end.
Dick Cheney only ordered the Airforce to Stand down on 9\11 during the attacks.
******
A bigot and racist for daring to suggest that radical fundamentalist Muslims form part of the spectrum of the Islamic faith?He's typical of the average Sun or Daily Mail reader. 15 months ago he classed the killing of 1800 innocent men, women and children as "tough ****". Anything you post he responds to with hate filled bile. I always find ppl who resort to this as funny bcos you know they've been exposed for the bigots they are
I've no idea what smug ****s like you get out of throwing the racist card about when there's not even a hint of racism on show. I suppose it's a way for you to both try and shut down the debate and position yourself on some form of politically correct 'higher ground' in your tiny little mind.
No more false bullshit from you snivelling troll
I never considered anything legitimate, you are making up bullshit, because you are an idiot who think's he is smart, like you feel you dont need all of the information to know the information is wrong.
Never ever researched the other side of that topic have you? This is what gets me about you types, I talk about the subject, never claim it is actual fact, but then you come at me as if I said it was fact, and slate me for not believing the biggest lying apparatus in history, the US Media
To quote Tobes but it fits you too. "I don't need to know the official story to know the official story is true"
Plane flies through buiilding, no hole, seems legit
Admit you just belived 9\11 happened as is said, and only got affronted at other claims, without ever knowing yourself anything other than what the media told you. You never knew the official story that you defended, how ****ing pathetic is that.
Now you weasles will all band together because you belive the same thing, and group think.. you dont know what theat is, but you will now pretend to know, and if need be go quickly read up what it means ******.
In short, anyone who thinks they know something to be fact when they have not even looked at all aspects, is a ******, you Tobes TT Saint and the rest fit that perfectly.
So when you don't like the other opinion, invoke "crazy" or "conspiracy theorist" instead of proving anything, which none of you have ever done re 9\11
Sure most of the claims you made in defence of hte official story 2 years ago have turned out to be completely false, like the phone calls from the senator's wife. The FBI said they never happened, yet you used that as defence.
You used the "pull the wall defence" which Silverstein on film proves that untrue.
You used the Building 7 NIST collapse defence, but NIST theorised, for years after 9\11 as to what might of happened, it was not a factural record, it was a guess. You used that as a fact.
Of course you didn;t read the nist report, you went to a debunk spource and copied what you needed, no thinking, no ogic, copy paste
You are a failure in understanding and learning, because of your entrenchement in surreality.
Yes I'm bad beause "I disagree" and deserve to be ridiculed, which is originally why I got pissed at you, not the disagreement, but the awful attitude towards debate, which is why every simgle one between us has been partisan ever since.
You just will not admit your ignorance and I find you stick to "mainstream" history from corrupt academia, and all else is lie and conspiracy theory..
Of course you never heard of the Lavon affair or other such historical events. if you werent so historically illiterate, you would know terrorism has been used for centuries as a means to an end.
Dick Cheney only ordered the Airforce to Stand down on 9\11 during the attacks.
******
Some of the people you are accusing of not "researching" it, have just explained that they personally know people who witnessed it.
And you still prefer your internet "research" to their own personal accounts ?
I've got an idea. How about you **** off like a good little fruit cake
You're wasting your time mate.Some of the people you are accusing of not "researching" it, have just explained that they personally know people who witnessed it.
And you still prefer your internet "research" to their own personal accounts ?
I've got an idea. How about you **** off like a good little fruit cake
His 'evidence' consists of the blogs of cranks, and he'll now now doubt post dozens of them and then call you a gullible know nothing if you dare to debunk them.
Radical fundamentalist 'Muslims' attach themselves to Islamic doctrine...it does not mean they are welcome or are actually correct in their bastardisation of Islam. I refuse to be affiliated with the likes of ISIS...and you know what...it does not affect my faith and my life and my lifestyle and of many many fellow Muslims.
They do not form any part of the spectrum of the Islamic faith. They have attached themselves to Islam as a means to their end...even if they regard themselves as Muslims. They would be deeply disappointed due to how far they are from Islam.
This is why me and many Muslims that I know, plus many thousands more...believe that they, ISIS, are the latest tool created by the CIA in order to stoke the fire so that the West is justified in its upcoming and inevitable white collar pillaging in the Middle East. Just like Osama was put on a pedestal and trained and given arms by the CIA in the 80's...why? Because the U.S wanted to defeat the Russians in Afghanistan. Not only that but they wanted to keep their own hands clean. This same Osama was blamed for 9/11. Why? Because he had served his purpose...and now they see Islam as a threat and have creAted a beast and made it look like a beast from within. Where was ISIS when Saddam and Gadaffi was around? Why didn't they go toe to toe? Because the people pulling the strings knew that Saddam and Gadaffi would annihilate ISIS. So by hook or by crook...the western powers created civil unrest, armed the rebels and overthrew the two leaders...and now a,l of a sudden ISIS turn up causing havoc. Why not deal with them like The first and second invasion of Iraq, where is that intensity? It's not in the West's interests. Don't be fooled by the odd bombing mission...got to keep the sheeple happy.
It's not my fault or problem that people refuse to look into it beyond what they are told by the Media. I, a Muslim, just like anyone else lives his life, has friends of all creeds, and live by the laws of the land, does not have to prove myself anymore than anyone else.
If it really is that much of an issue then why doesn't the media, an absolute force, take it upon themselves to bring real Islam and it adherents to the fore so people can be educated. After all if it's peace we want then why doesn't the most powerful tool available, the media, take the bull by the horns and expose I.S and the corrupt governments for what they are. Then, we, the Muslims can feel like we are all not tarnished with the same brush and we feel as though we are united.
Won't happen though will it..no....because that is not the aim and goals. People are just collateral, be it Muslim or non Muslim...and the media is their to fuel the hatred in the sheeple...don't get caught up with Facebook mass hysteria.
No way will I accept ISIS as representing anything to do with Islam. Just like you all know that Santa isn't real and it was just your dad dressed up with a fake beard and costume
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I have no doubt that you don't recognise fundamentalists as being any part of the religion that you follow, and you are patently a good egg (apologies for having a pop at you yesterday btw, I was out of order with my tone
)As I said yesterday all that the Muslim community can do is to shun these radicals and say 'not in my name'.
However, that paragraph above - really? So the CIA are orchestrating these terrorist attacks? Come on pal ffs
Agreed. I know quite a few people from that area. Those places were ****ing real alright!...
You really shouldn't try to belittle people by claiming that they copy and paste blogs. Some of us actually read and study about the things that make our life difficult
It exposes you in a bad way, throwing simplistic claims when you actually have no proof...and that is how you do your own research I bet.
He does copy and paste blogs though.You really shouldn't try to belittle people by claiming that they copy and paste blogs. Some of us actually read and study about the things that make our life difficult
It exposes you in a bad way, throwing simplistic claims when you actually have no proof...and that is how you do your own research I bet.
We've had the 9/11 discussion with him on numerous occasions and trust me - that's his MO. So it's not a lazy assumption, it's merely a fact pal
I have no doubt that you don't recognise fundamentalists as being any part of the religion that you follow, and you are patently a good egg (apologies for having a pop at you yesterday btw, I was out of order with my tone
As I said yesterday all that the Muslim community can do is to shun these radicals and say 'not in my name'.
However, that paragraph above - really? So the CIA are orchestrating these terrorist attacks? Come on pal ffs
No they are not orchestrating step by step. I'm saying they have been left to it..once the fundamental foundations have been placed, a few years ago...now they are just watching the show..until it's time to put their capes on and 'save the world'.
This is quite exhausting...so I'll give up...but I will never be affiliated with ISIS...but I will always be a Muslim.
He does copy and paste blogs though.
We've had the 9/11 discussion with him on numerous occasions and trust me - that's his MO. So it's not a lazy assumption, it's merely a fact pal
Ok fair enough.
Since when did the US need an excuse to don it's World Police cape?
Syria has become a vipers nest for sure, but it's quite a leap to suggest that its development as a hive for fundamentalists is a CIA strategy.....