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The thing is 'Sir' that your accusations towards me in this thread are nonsensical, as I've said nothing that anyone else hasn't.Alright Alf keep your hair on.
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Every one of your rants makes me smile
You even agreed with UiR when he posted exactly what I'd already said! I also note that you've not labelled anyone else a bigot, despite some far stronger comments that anything I've said here.
Your issue is simply with me,as we've fallen out before on other issues where you've clamboured to the moral high ground at the earliest opportunity.
I've made my views on you personally abundantly clear, and vice versa, so leave it there please, I've got nothing I want to discuss with you further. Thanks.
I dont know why you bother, Tobes is warped in his views. If you follow his logic then Nazi Germany were fascists because they were German. And the BNP are racists because they're Britishofcourse deep down he knows this is bollox but it doesnt suit the convenience of his bigotted views. He comes across as a right vile individual as well, typical of ppl of his mindset. I would leave well alone
It's cool though mate, I try educate the ignorant, if they want to laugh, mock and all like each other's comments, there is nothng I can do about that, you never learn anything by shutting other voices down and keeping the same beliefs all of your life.
People that "know" everything seldom realise that 50% of solving a problem is defining the problem. This is why they blame Islam for making men choose to kill or mistreat their wives, apparently the man with those choices before him in this informtion age where all avenues of action are accessible, is irrelevant. This is exactly the same as removing the human from the whole "writing on paper with a pencil" and stating that the pencil is responsible for the words written.
A religion that can be interpreted in many ways is the same as pencil that can write many things, until hte himan and his disposition enters the frame, nothing happens.
So it's a blank slate in concept, take the man as inert, an object, give him an environment to grow up in, give him a maleable religion.
The environment is the primary aspect of the development of that human being from child to adult.
So, a 40 year old joe soap Iraqi. Has been through 2 invasions, and an occupation, Saddam's rule, the sectarian blood letting under NATO's watch and in some cases direction, UN genocidal sanctions that killed approx 700.000 children. War with Iran, obviously a design of you us good guys after Iran dared depose OUR installed leader). Invasion of Kuwait. ISIS and the country now split into pieces.
So there is the environment, then there is the religion, given the environment is it even remotely possible that this kind of environment might create anger, hatred and bitterness, and is it possible that might affect the interpretation of religion and suceptibility to more extremist intepretations and those that spread that message (historical fact us Good guys funded radical schools in the 80s in hte middle east)
Lets look at it another way, even a ****** can get this, when you get an abused neglected very unhappy young children, the art you get them to draw very often reflects their disposition, it can affect your art, it can affect your religion, your mental state affects everything.
Female genital mutilation is not as commonly claimed, a Mulsim thing, it's an African thing, and by far the worst of it is Christian countries with up to 95% of girls.
Do I blame Christianity? of course not, that would be ****ing ludicrous, you have 95% of men who choose to do this to their daughters, you have 5% that dont, because there are 5% of men who think for themselves, or women for that matter.
It's about the same ratio of 95% sheep to 5% conspiracy theorists.. weird correlation I know
Recent scientific study reported Consoiracy theorists sane, and those that just accept whart they are told uncritically, insane
http://www.urban75.org/info/conspiraloons.htmlIt's cool though mate, I try educate the ignorant, if they want to laugh, mock and all like each other's comments, there is nothng I can do about that, you never learn anything by shutting other voices down and keeping the same beliefs all of your life.
People that "know" everything seldom realise that 50% of solving a problem is defining the problem. This is why they blame Islam for making men choose to kill or mistreat their wives, apparently the man with those choices before him in this informtion age where all avenues of action are accessible, is irrelevant. This is exactly the same as removing the human from the whole "writing on paper with a pencil" and stating that the pencil is responsible for the words written.
A religion that can be interpreted in many ways is the same as pencil that can write many things, until hte himan and his disposition enters the frame, nothing happens.
So it's a blank slate in concept, take the man as inert, an object, give him an environment to grow up in, give him a maleable religion.
The environment is the primary aspect of the development of that human being from child to adult.
So, a 40 year old joe soap Iraqi. Has been through 2 invasions, and an occupation, Saddam's rule, the sectarian blood letting under NATO's watch and in some cases direction, UN genocidal sanctions that killed approx 700.000 children. War with Iran, obviously a design of you us good guys after Iran dared depose OUR installed leader). Invasion of Kuwait. ISIS and the country now split into pieces.
So there is the environment, then there is the religion, given the environment is it even remotely possible that this kind of environment might create anger, hatred and bitterness, and is it possible that might affect the interpretation of religion and suceptibility to more extremist intepretations and those that spread that message (historical fact us Good guys funded radical schools in the 80s in hte middle east)
Lets look at it another way, even a ****** can get this, when you get an abused neglected very unhappy young children, the art you get them to draw very often reflects their disposition, it can affect your art, it can affect your religion, your mental state affects everything.
Female genital mutilation is not as commonly claimed, a Mulsim thing, it's an African thing, and by far the worst of it is Christian countries with up to 95% of girls.
Do I blame Christianity? of course not, that would be ****ing ludicrous, you have 95% of men who choose to do this to their daughters, you have 5% that dont, because there are 5% of men who think for themselves, or women for that matter.
It's about the same ratio of 95% sheep to 5% conspiracy theorists.. weird correlation I know
Recent scientific study reported Consoiracy theorists sane, and those that just accept whart they are told uncritically, insane
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Bit late for that now, if that was the first you posted I might buy it.
Stinks of "I realised I ended up in with the bigots momentarily I better meme my way out of this mess"
UIR is so daily mail but he wont deny it, Tobes and UIR like each other's ramblings... when bigots collide.
Starting to suspect Dylan Roof has two accounts on here
Starting to suspect Dylan Roof has two accounts on here
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Bit late for that now, if that was the first you posted I might buy it.
Stinks of "I realised I ended up in with the bigots momentarily I better meme my way out of this mess"
Why? cos that suits your "anyone against religion is wacist" bollox?
Oh I get it now, I have to mock jesus 1st then Islam so as no one gets offended lol
Joker you are mate
IMO you're all loons, all religious people, nut case or normal family person, no different imo, the modern rational civilised world doesn't need any of you drones all guided by some fairytale book in whatever language. You sir are the exact person I mock, "wacist wacist" yh OK mate lol
If someone today told the world they were a prophet or the son of God they'd be locked in a padded room, by people with the authority to do so given by the grace of God I spose, morons all of ya.
So to sum up:-
1. We all agree ISIS are cowardly, murdering, toerags.
2. We all agree that just because ISIS are all Muslims, this does not mean all Muslims support them. Clearly other Muslims are fighting them so it can's be "just a Muslim thing".
3. We all agree religion,politics, and money are the cause of most of the world's problems.
4. We are all somewhat bemused as to why the US/RUSSIA/UK/FRANCE/GERMANY/ETC have not taken out the oil refineries to deny ISIS income from the sale of the oil they are producing.
I am of course excluding Sisu from the above statements, he may agree with some of them in part, but I do not want to be drawn in to 911/hollywood beheadings arguments if it can be helped.
1. We all agree ISIS are cowardly, murdering, toerags.
2. We all agree that just because ISIS are all Muslims, this does not mean all Muslims support them. Clearly other Muslims are fighting them so it can's be "just a Muslim thing".
3. We all agree religion,politics, and money are the cause of most of the world's problems.
4. We are all somewhat bemused as to why the US/RUSSIA/UK/FRANCE/GERMANY/ETC have not taken out the oil refineries to deny ISIS income from the sale of the oil they are producing.
I am of course excluding Sisu from the above statements, he may agree with some of them in part, but I do not want to be drawn in to 911/hollywood beheadings arguments if it can be helped.
Well the picture you posted said the burka should be banned.
I'm not a fan of burkas because I do think they are sexist but I can't think of any terrorist acts in the west that would have been prevented by banning it. However you can bet if you ban it the animosity that would cause would make things more dangerous.
You could out it that way. After all, Pirates were/are just thieves and murderers Too!
I didn't post that one mate.
What a sweeping generalisation..... Where my race card gone
no because you are only posting the jesus one because to try water down the memes intended message, that people who follow Islam are "insert bigoted view here".Why? cos that suits your "anyone against religion is wacist" bollox?
Oh I get it now, I have to mock jesus 1st then Islam so as no one gets offended lol
Joker you are mate
IMO you're all loons, all religious people, nut case or normal family person, no different imo, the modern rational civilised world doesn't need any of you drones all guided by some fairytale book in whatever language. You sir are the exact person I mock, "wacist wacist" yh OK mate lol
If someone today told the world they were a prophet or the son of God they'd be locked in a padded room, by people with the authority to do so given by the grace of God I spose, morons all of ya.
Had the bigotry not been pointed you imo would not have posted the jebus one to try make it seem like you know, you weren't bandwagoning with the gimps.
Expect better lad.
The burka should be banned in the west imo.
It's a symbol of control. Every time it's brought up a Muslim woman will be interviewed saying she wants to wear it. But surely this is simply down to conditioning?
Who would actually choose to wander round covered from head to toe seeing life through a slit? It must be like living in a post box ffs.
You would no doubt counter that it should be a personal choice, but in reality what choice would these women actually have?
The fact (and you're right) that it'd cause a **** storm and increase the level of danger, says it all about the entire issue.
No probs if that's what your prejudice opinion tells you then fair enough mate. I litteraly loath all religion and the nuts it creates.
Its a forum I couldn't care less what you think but to say I only posted the jesus one to water down my previous Islam ones then that's incorrect.
You think I'm racist I think your an idiot, the planet will still spin I'm sure but please don't assume I'm watering down my dislike of religious nuts just to suit your views, that on my part would be cowardly.... And I am far from that when it comes to speaking my mind.
To silence my views so as not to offend yours is cowardly and a big part of why we are where we are right now.
Gotta go Im late for a klan meet
Radical fundamentalist 'Muslims' attach themselves to Islamic doctrine...it does not mean they are welcome or are actually correct in their bastardisation of Islam. I refuse to be affiliated with the likes of ISIS...and you know what...it does not affect my faith and my life and my lifestyle and of many many fellow Muslims.
They do not form any part of the spectrum of the Islamic faith. They have attached themselves to Islam as a means to their end...even if they regard themselves as Muslims. They would be deeply disappointed due to how far they are from Islam.
This is why me and many Muslims that I know, plus many thousands more...believe that they, ISIS, are the latest tool created by the CIA in order to stoke the fire so that the West is justified in its upcoming and inevitable white collar pillaging in the Middle East. Just like Osama was put on a pedestal and trained and given arms by the CIA in the 80's...why? Because the U.S wanted to defeat the Russians in Afghanistan. Not only that but they wanted to keep their own hands clean. This same Osama was blamed for 9/11. Why? Because he had served his purpose...and now they see Islam as a threat and have creAted a beast and made it look like a beast from within. Where was ISIS when Saddam and Gadaffi was around? Why didn't they go toe to toe? Because the people pulling the strings knew that Saddam and Gadaffi would annihilate ISIS. So by hook or by crook...the western powers created civil unrest, armed the rebels and overthrew the two leaders...and now a,l of a sudden ISIS turn up causing havoc. Why not deal with them like The first and second invasion of Iraq, where is that intensity? It's not in the West's interests. Don't be fooled by the odd bombing mission...got to keep the sheeple happy.
It's not my fault or problem that people refuse to look into it beyond what they are told by the Media. I, a Muslim, just like anyone else lives his life, has friends of all creeds, and live by the laws of the land, does not have to prove myself anymore than anyone else.
If it really is that much of an issue then why doesn't the media, an absolute force, take it upon themselves to bring real Islam and it adherents to the fore so people can be educated. After all if it's peace we want then why doesn't the most powerful tool available, the media, take the bull by the horns and expose I.S and the corrupt governments for what they are. Then, we, the Muslims can feel like we are all not tarnished with the same brush and we feel as though we are united.
Won't happen though will it..no....because that is not the aim and goals. People are just collateral, be it Muslim or non Muslim...and the media is their to fuel the hatred in the sheeple...don't get caught up with Facebook mass hysteria.
No way will I accept ISIS as representing anything to do with Islam. Just like you all know that Santa isn't real and it was just your dad dressed up with a fake beard and costume
This is exactly the point. Tobes, or anyone else for that matter, has the right to express that there is a ****ing obvious link between a warped, twisted form of Islam and the current wave of terrorism/ISIS/whatever, just as that Westborough Chapel (sp) in the US is a mutated version of Christianity; or if you take political doctrines such as communism or fascism to their (inevitable?) extremes, people, especially disaffected youth, are liable to embrace an extreme but simple solution to life's complexities and society's evident unfairness.
The other Sunday morning I caught the back of one of these panel discussions. An Asian guy on there who is a youth leader from ( I think) Leicester was saying how he believed the Asian youths travelling to Syria were simply 'Punks', as in the old 70's, anti-establishment nihilism sort, of the type western culture have been throwing up since the 50's. Rebels without a cause who find one waiting for them, so to speak. The same way many of us embraced The Socialist Worker Party or David Bowie as an answer to it all in the fifth form. Only difference being, as he stated, once you enter this club (especially if you go to Syria) there's no turning back - there's no man-looked-at-pig and pig-looked-at-man moment that most of us old lefties had with communism, or indeed the moment of clarity that Malcolm X had with Islam when he realised faith was/should be inclusive and about love and not hate.
We all try to make sense out of this crazy existence, and youth will always embrace the easiest answer. A bit like any offer that someone tries to sell to you - if it seems too good/easy to be true, then it probably is. The crime for any of these snake-oil salesmen and their magic panaceas, be them radical preacher's or political agitators in the BNP/UKIP/Anarchists is that we don't protect our young people the same way as we would if they were being sold a dodgy holiday insurance package.
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not only that but deciding people do not have a choice of attire, where does that end? As always it should be a choice, of the women who wear them, not the state or their husbands.
If banned you have them being told they cant wear them and must wear them at the same time by both sides.