Match Day Thread Palace V UTD
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What wasn't hard? You made up a question, I answered itYou've now got nothing left to say bcos you really don't understand what the fck is going on. And your response here is as I suspected, a waste of my time engaging with you bcos your petty mind is all about trying to score points, rather than actually taking on board the finer points of what's being discussed. I've never complained about the defence. In fact I've said countless times I'm not bothered about the defence. You do understand that LVG is capable of doing well in some areas and 5hit in others? No ofcourse you don't. To accept that would probably allow reality to crash in to your insecure little world
Oh I understand that. I've been talking about them for months. You've been pretending they dont exist or that it's down to some reason. You did today, correct that so fair enough.
He's got two thirds of the side in a much much better state. Even then I think they have even more to offer. Like to see Ander and Mata contributing a few goals themselves for example but over all, the defence and midfield are very good.
The attack isn't. He deserves time to resolve that. Based on the work elsewhere in the team, he should do just that. It's easy tk say LvG, Rooney or someone else is at fault bit it's a team game, each has a part to play.
I still think Shaws loss has had a huge impact, we are a man short in attack for k e thing. Rojo has done well recently to be fair but he's never going to offer the insane pace of shaw. It terrified defenders.
The lack of goals is an issue. No question but it looks worse than it is. We failed to score v City (top of the league), Boro (b team) and Palace (notoriously tough away game). I'm not defending the attack but its 3 games, where of you had to pock the 3 most likely 0-0 draws, you would have considered all of then (probably expect City to beat us in some cases).
So I am not panicking just now. I think we need another striker on January as Rooney's bad spell is becoming a big concern. He's not in his mid 20s so can he come back from it like he always has? I'm getting less convinced.
In January I would be looking at a pacey forward who can play on the wings or a target man. A focal point of the team who gives is the option every time we get forward. A young RvN would be idea but Mane or someone like that would do.
As long as we are keeping clean sheets and being solid, we have a chance in every game. Its much better from a managers POV to not have to come from behind.
None of this is sounding like someone who is backing the manager or someone who supports them or believes in them. It sounds like someone who wants him gone, not in 18 months but now.
Obviously I am wrong though. Trebles a massive fan. Clearly.
It's not criticism anymore. It well beyond that point. It is waiting for any opportunity to say "haha told you we were ****, were never winning anything under this spoofer"
You understand. You're not thick so dont pretend to do.
LvG doesn't control the players every move. No manager does.
No, I'm not thick.
He coaches the defence into being well drilled. However, he also coaches the attack to be cautious, ponderous and lacking in pace.
He's responsible for both, the players do what they are told.
How do you teach someone to lack pace
He's responsible for setting them up. They are responsible for what happens ln the pitch. Van gaal has options to change it and sometimes makes poor choices but once on the pitch, the players need to do their bit.
Any videos of us training under van Gaal? I am willing to bet its very different to the games.
I'm not saying its entirely down to one or the other. This isn't a case of losing the dressing room. Both the players and van Gaal have a responsiblity.
I've not had to correct anything UIR. I just say things as I see them. I also don't think he's got two thirds right but we can agree to disagree on that.
It's not just the last 3 games. Add to it the performances against Swansea, Newcastle, CSKA and PSV which all build a picture. You dismissed my post on another thread about this, but you can predict what's going to happen depending on the opposition. Our possession football will make mince meat of a naive and open defence because we'll pass it around and expose them perfectly. It's why our midfielders have been so prolific in scoring. That masks the deficiencies of our forwards. However, when we come up against a well organised defence we'll struggle to score. Our midfield becomes slow in the build up, we lack penetration and creativity and we play in front of defences. All of a sudden the problems with our forward lines become exposed. BUT the problem stems from what's happening in midfield and LVG's style of possession football.
As for Rooney, he's been terrible, but as long ago as against Newcastle iirc I began to question how much was his fault and how much the rest of our play was a detriment to him. I also question that with RVP now. It's a bit of both - the player and the rest of our football. The fact Martial has had less chances created than Ivanonic suggests that buying a CF in January will only solve part of the problem.
Like red? Trebles a red, for angry on this scale.
Look, can you say he supports him as Man Utd manager. Can you honestly say you do Treble? Lostboi, Stan, sweats. Do any kf you support van Gaal as United manager?
If not then to put it simply, you want him gone.
I believe its more down to Rooney. Not through a lack of trying or because he's trying to undermine van Gaal bit because he wants to do everything. At 19 he can but at 30, he needs to be smarter.
Interesting that you mention van Persie as he did learn to adapt his game. He had a similar career to Rooney in the sense he played a variety of roles but when his lace was hone, he became an out and out striker. Rarely would he drop deep.
Last year though van Persie lost it. Hes also been poor in Turkey. We made the right decision at the time.
Feel free to explain that one then. I don't want your opinion either. Show me examples of managers who have coached a slow attack...
Why do I have to provide examples of that to you? I'm just saying there's a difference between an attack and a player.
I (or treble) could just as easily ask you to show examples of managers who coached a fast attack. And I don't want your opinion either. I want factual evidence of you showing me their training methods.
Looks like I was wrong, you actually are as stupid as you sound.
I want him to improve. To up his game. To increase the speed we play at (yes, of course that is coached you noob).
He's improving our squad. And our defence. That's it. Everything else is gash.
Do I support him? As a United supporter of course I do.
OK...
I could provide that though, quite easily. For one, Spanish training is filmed so for someone like Pep, its not too hard to fond videos of his training at Barcelona. You can also find some, rather blurry, ones of van Gaal at the same club. Also at Ajax as well. Theyre not training how to attack with your hands on your pocket....
Though you dont need to use managers like Pep. Lower level managers like Jose Mourinho teaches his teams to attack quickly. Every manager does.
Right that's you.
But your view is different to the others. Its your own.
And that hurt Chief. I'm very offended.
Go on then... Post a a video which shows a manager clearly instructing his players to attack fast on the training ground.
Im not sure what's being said but here is a video of PEPs first training session with Bayern. Remember Bayern were a side well versed in possession play at the time. He's clearly teaching them to play quick passes under pressure in attack. This was the first result that came up BTW, it took 0.00031 seconds to find.
Now it's your turn. Good luck