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Foredeckdave said:
We all make mistakes - occassionally!!! <laugh><ok>

So if you must archetypal
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James Lovelock's Gaia hypothesis is an interesting read, very basically saying that the earth and it's atmosphere are a self-regulating system. 'The Revenge of Gaia' is the book I'm thinking of.
 
Foredeckdave said:
Gaia was supposed to be a Greek goddess - the original earth mother. Not a philosophy or religion that I care to follow. Plus the archytipal Earth Mother of the Feminist Movement were enough to put anybody off forever!!

Now I don't know if DD has been sucking on the tit of one of those harridans but the statement that he made IS a complete load of bollocks!
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It was a ****ing wonderful tit, firm, pert and white, about a C cup. I wasn't saying the planet has consciousness, not at all, rather that the earth's eco system modifies itself on a molecular level and this is affected by human activity, air pollution, global warming and such. Look at the ice ages, it's not unfeasible that the earth will go back into that state at some point, even if our current worries are about it heating up. You have to remember that everything in the universe is connected and all matter came from the same point of origin, even if it's strewn over billions of miles.
 
Red Hadron Collider said:
That's what I was referring to as well. I read 'The Ages of Gaia'.
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Whilst I have not read either book, I have read quite a bit by Lovelock. His later work appears far more balanced and (of course) I particularly like the bit that suggests that the UK will probably be one the best places to live in terms of climate. However, it is purely a hypothesis and designed solely to prompt research and channel debate.
 
donga darko said:
You REALLY think that we have the right to make extinct any life form we so choose because we are capable of doing so? And that farmers are right to shoot stray dogs in the head when tied to a stick after they were handed to them in good faith, then lie about the reasons for doing this, because some dogs some time jump up to kids in parks?

You need a new definition of what is bollocks sport, you really, utterly do.
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I think we have established that this particular farmer is a right **** and needs a good kicking but you can't tar all farmers with the same brush.

This is from a former dog owner who's dog was caught killing sheep and was put down because of it.
 
Dangerously Delicious said:
It was a ****ing wonderful tit, firm, pert and white, about a C cup. I wasn't saying the planet has consciousness, not at all, rather that the earth's eco system modifies itself on a molecular level and this is affected by human activity, air pollution, global warming and such. Look at the ice ages, it's not unfeasible that the earth will go back into that state at some point, even if our current worries are about it heating up. You have to remember that everything in the universe is connected and all matter came from the same point of origin, even if it's strewn over billions of miles.
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FFS <doh>
 
Dangerously Delicious said:
It was a ****ing wonderful tit, firm, pert and white, about a C cup. I wasn't saying the planet has consciousness, not at all, rather that the earth's eco system modifies itself on a molecular level and this is affected by human activity, air pollution, global warming and such. Look at the ice ages, it's not unfeasible that the earth will go back into that state at some point, even if our current worries are about it heating up. You have to remember that everything in the universe is connected and all matter came from the same point of origin, even if it's strewn over billions of miles.
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The tit reference wasn't made in your direction!! I can assure you that the Women's Lib version of the Earth Mothers did NOT have wonderful tits!
 
Foredeckdave said:
Yes we do have the right to make other species extinct if we want to. Sometimes it is in our best interests as a species to do so. I would gladly exterminate every malarial mosquito if I could.Sometimes species will become extinct because of the spread of human activity and the resultant loss of habitats. So should we limit human population just to secure a future for other species? I think not!

But back to these bloody dogs and the farmer. The court made a decision. You don't like it then contest it BUT also take the owner to court for gross negligence. But you won't do that will you because your like the other arrogant dog owners who feel that it's OK to let their 'pets' infect childrens play areas. How more arrogant can you be to trivialise the potential trauma to a child that can be caused by an uncontrolled dog.
So you are talking complete and utter bollocks!
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Don't be so ****ing facetious. I said about making species extinct simply because we can. There was a program on sometime back about how the first aboriginal Australians wiped out a giant, 12ft lizard within a 1000 years because it got a taste for humans. That's reasonable Darwinism at work. Thousands of years later the Maoris made the Moa bird extinct in NZ, leading indirectly to a giant eagle with a 14ft wingspan becoming extinct too. Again, unfortunate but not a planned conscious action.

But back to the dogs, and this case in particular. There are farms @ half a mile from where I live, both cow and sheep. Occasionally the animals get out of their fields (often due to poor upkeep of fences by the farmer themselves). I was just wondering whether when this happened, and if a passer-by happened to give me two of them for safekeeping as they were wandering down the road, or indeed they had strayed into my front garden. Don't dismiss this as implausible as there were cows that had escaped from the Ings wandering down the A19 a few weeks ago, and as for the gypos and their ****ing horses...

Anywhow, there I am with two sheep, and I've spent thousands on flowers and my shrubbery in my front garden.... we all know where this is going. in this scenario I don't think any farmer would shrug his shoulders and say "Ah well, they were on his property and worrying his flower bed" and I doubt any cretins on here would try and justify my actions on the basis of property and the owner's negligence.

On the subject of their fences, I work in the rail industry. During the foot and mouth scare there was hundreds of thousands of pounds of damage and delays caused by ****ing farmers shoving their livestock through gaps in the fences (that they made) and onto the tracks so that they could claim compo and insurance. At the time my daughter went to a posh prep school here in York that was full of farmers' kids. I lost count of number of Cherokee Jeeps, Toyota Landcruisers and Mitzuibushi Shoguns I saw dropping their kids off with "Buy British Beef" stickers in the window. Don't think they ever saw the irony of it.
 
Red Hadron Collider said:
Is this you? What the **** sort of dog was it?
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He was a cross between a German Shepherd and a Collie with a big tan shaggy coat. Lovely dog and wouldn't have harmed any human but really really dumb.

The farmer had been up a few times complaining about him and we always denied that he could do anything like that but he landed back to the house one day with a lump of meat in his mouth. My brother and I were wondering what to do about the situation when suddenly we heard the farmer's Landrover coming up our lane. We panicked and threw the meat across the back field. The farmer jumped out and we were about to proclaim his innocence but watched in horror as the silly mutt came running back with the meat in it's mouth and dropped it at our feet.

My heart sank as I knew there was no way back for him after that. As the saying goes you can't teach an old dog new tricks, he was always going to have that killer instinct. Tying the dog up was not an option he was taken to the Vet and put down, we were heartbroken.
 
donga darko said:
Don't be so ****ing facetious. I said about making species extinct simply because we can. There was a program on sometime back about how the first aboriginal Australians wiped out a giant, 12ft lizard within a 1000 years because it got a taste for humans. That's reasonable Darwinism at work. Thousands of years later the Maoris made the Moa bird extinct in NZ, leading indirectly to a giant eagle with a 14ft wingspan becoming extinct too. Again, unfortunate but not a planned conscious action.

But back to the dogs, and this case in particular. There are farms @ half a mile from where I live, both cow and sheep. Occasionally the animals get out of their fields (often due to poor upkeep of fences by the farmer themselves). I was just wondering whether when this happened, and if a passer-by happened to give me two of them for safekeeping as they were wandering down the road, or indeed they had strayed into my front garden. Don't dismiss this as implausible as there were cows that had escaped from the Ings wandering down the A19 a few weeks ago, and as for the gypos and their ****ing horses...

Anywhow, there I am with two sheep, and I've spent thousands on flowers and my shrubbery in my front garden.... we all know where this is going. in this scenario I don't think any farmer would shrug his shoulders and say "Ah well, they were on his property and worrying his flower bed" and I doubt any cretins on here would try and justify my actions on the basis of property and the owner's negligence.

On the subject of their fences, I work in the rail industry. During the foot and mouth scare there was hundreds of thousands of pounds of damage and delays caused by ****ing farmers shoving their livestock through gaps in the fences (that they made) and onto the tracks so that they could claim compo and insurance. At the time my daughter went to a posh prep school here in York that was full of farmers' kids. I lost count of number of Cherokee Jeeps, Toyota Landcruisers and Mitzuibushi Shoguns I saw dropping their kids off with "Buy British Beef" stickers in the window. Don't think they ever saw the irony of it.
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Hate to tell you but the word you were striving for was FECES if you were really trying to respond to the highlighted points in my last post to you.

If you truly wanted a discussion rather than an emotive rant then you wouldn't start the whole thing with "This bastard should be shot with his own gun. Lying ****ing inbred mutant!

http://www.smallholder.co.uk/news/10...who_shot_dogs/

This is what happens when you give farmers guns. We should be culling farmers, not badgers! "

Just in case you'd missed the fact we gave up the death sentence many many years ago for murder. Vigilantism has never been legal in the UK. Animlas have never had the same value in law as humans.

If your dog ran out in the road in front of my car, I would not swerve to avoid it. The law does not require me to do so and I value my own wellbeing and that of my passengers well above that of your dog. However, even if it were you I would swerve to avoid you!

There's nothing altruistic about being a farmer. They are just agricultural business-men. They are no more moral than any other business owner and I have known many of them who have treated both their workers and the environment in a much worse way. Humans are the dominant species on the planet and therefore they do have the right to take any actions that they chose. How humans regulate those actions is up to them and their understanding of the consequences. So far animal rights come a long way down the pecking order. You can work to change that if you will but you can't impose it.
 
Radio Raheem said:
He was a cross between a German Shepherd and a Collie with a big tan shaggy coat. Lovely dog and wouldn't have harmed any human but really really dumb.

The farmer had been up a few times complaining about him and we always denied that he could do anything like that but he landed back to the house one day with a lump of meat in his mouth. My brother and I were wondering what to do about the situation when suddenly we heard the farmer's Landrover coming up our lane. We panicked and threw the meat across the back field. The farmer jumped out and we were about to proclaim his innocence but watched in horror as the silly mutt came running back with the meat in it's mouth and dropped it at our feet.

My heart sank as I knew there was no way back for him after that. As the saying goes you can't teach an old dog new tricks, he was always going to have that killer instinct. Tying the dog up was not an option he was taken to the Vet and put down, we were heartbroken.
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Sorry to hear that pal. I've had to give a dog up before (fortunately for new owners to take him) but it was one of the hardest things I have ever had to do; I had split up with my partner and he was being left from 8am to 6pm whilst I was at work every day which wasn't fair.

Was there no way of restraining him beyond tying him up? Ie, bigger fencing keeping him a set area?
 
Gerrez said:
Sorry to hear that pal. I've had to give a dog up before (fortunately for new owners to take him) but it was one of the hardest things I have ever had to do; I had split up with my partner and he was being left from 8am to 6pm whilst I was at work every day which wasn't fair.

Was there no way of restraining him beyond tying him up? Ie, bigger fencing keeping him a set area?
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:(

Its ****ing horrible losing a pet
 
The DR says said:
No mate, they've given you up <ok>

Me Owwww
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Had three cats but all gone for very different reasons:

First one was a indoor plain white persian which was passed to the mrs' sister to look after whilst we were away. Her sister left the back door open and its never been seen since, she lived next to some woods <doh>

Second one was a rescue cat that had recently had a operation to remove one of its front legs (completely the mrs' choice, as is the case with all the cats). The rescue place had let it go to a new home too early and it had a attack. The rescue vet fetched it the same name we'd taken it home, it died during the night.

The third was a kitten when we got it. Completely ginger including eyes and look very cute. Unfortunately, it was the friendliest of cats, nor a people cat. It lashed out out the eldest a couple of times so ended up keeping it out the way. then we got our current dog and they were constantly fighting. The cat was the one to go considering, especially as he kept leaving bodily presents around the house that a human would have been proud of!


PS...we'd probably still have the first if it was our choice <ok>
 
Fecking hell all these sad stories :(

" The rescue place had let it go to a new home too early and it had a attack. The rescue vet fetched it the same name we'd taken it home, it died during the night."

What attacked it?

Same name?

My cat is very friendly and (not just saying it - sits on visitors knees and stuff) not once has she messed on the floor (again not bullshitting) from when I first had her. Zingy was saying his ex's does and it was asleep on his pillow! <yikes>

Bet her sis felt awful, how did she explain that? Did she ring you whilst you were away?

When we were in Vegas and Mexico on honeymoon I said to the outlaws that if anything happened they should notify me immediately!

We went camping all around for a another week as well and we had to leave her at the cattery and they ended up sending me daily pics on my mobile phone of her <laugh>

My best men (had 2) threatened to put in their speech that I breastfed my cat but they never did thank God! (obv I didnt but they think im too soft with her)
 
I'm a dog person, but I don't mind cats. Devious ****ers. Next door have a boxer and the cat from across the back positions itself perfectly on one of the fence posts so that it JUST can't be reached. and the loony boxer and my lab go ****ing mental jumping at it and barking whilst it just sits there nonchalantly licking its paws and occasionally glancing at them with utter contempt. It's like Spike and Tom in the old cartoons.

I once wondered why the dog had tried to drag a deck chair across the garden to the fence, which had obviously collapsed by time it got there, and the dog just left it under the said fencepost. took me ages to work out what he was trying to do - the cat twigged straight away and didn't go near the fence until I put the deckchair back into the shed.

Yes, it is devastating to lose a pet, especially in the grotesque circumstances of this case.
 
The DR says said:
Fecking hell all these sad stories :(

" The rescue place had let it go to a new home too early and it had a attack. The rescue vet fetched it the same name we'd taken it home, it died during the night."

What attacked it?

Same name?

My cat is very friendly and (not just saying it - sits on visitors knees and stuff) not once has she messed on the floor (again not bullshitting) from when I first had her. Zingy was saying his ex's does and it was asleep on his pillow! <yikes>

Bet her sis felt awful, how did she explain that? Did she ring you whilst you were away?

When we were in Vegas and Mexico on honeymoon I said to the outlaws that if anything happened they should notify me immediately!

We went camping all around for a another week as well and we had to leave her at the cattery and they ended up sending me daily pics on my mobile phone of her <laugh>

My best men (had 2) threatened to put in their speech that I breastfed my cat but they never did thank God! (obv I didnt but they think im too soft with her)
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It wasn't attacked, it suffered an attack. Let out of care too early after the operation and had a seizure.

Tell a lie, we wasn't away. It was when I split up with the mrs (we got back together after two months apart; extra gutting with the dog i gave up) she took it with her and went back to her mums. Her sisters (she has three) never took the blame but obviously one of them had left the door open (the mrs was at work).

I've looked after animals for others whilst they have been away and people always say they want to know if something happens. However, on the other side is the person responsible not wanting to ruin their holiday too. Fortunately, I've never been in that position.
 
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