Ot ****!

[Dangerously Delicious]

I'm at my ex's looking after the animals whilst she's away. Got this little ****er on my pillow. Need to get my head down.

Good luck with that. My old cat used to loll all over my legs when I was in bed which made it impossible to roll over and get to sleep. Died a year ago due to complications from hyperthyroidism. She was on hormone tablets for a long time which were nearly impossible to get her to eat as they obviously tasted bad, had to take her for blood tests fairly regularly too. Anyway, she ended up collapsing suddenly one morning, rushed her to the vets but she died when we got there. Had a very long, very good life at least. It's funny because she wasn't ours from being a kitten. We bought a male kitten about a year before she showed up as a stray, we took her in and it obviously pissed off our original cat because he did a runner and we never saw him again! So I always had mixed feelings towards the batard!

 

[Jürgenmeiʃter]

Don't tell me that animals have the same level of rights as human beings. Don't tell me that it's justified for animal activists to blow people up because they don't agree with them. Don't tell me that its right that whole neighbourhoods are terrorised by savage dogs or children attack by pit bull-like dogs. Or that a child is terrified in the park because a dog runs at the them and jumps up at them whilst the owner says "Oh it's OK he's just excitable and won't bite". Well no it bloody well isn't!!!

If you want to protect endangered species then put your hand further in your pocket to protect them. Species have become extinct since time began for many differing reasons. Is it wrong for Africans to want more land to farm?

As for horses. Yes they are stupid. Don't tell me that the horses that were engaged in the charge of the light brigade actually wanted to go galloping towrds rifle and canon fire! So they will go where they don't want too

What is the rights of human beings? It differs so much from country to country. Some animal activists (very very small percentage) do that which is unacceptable obviously

Of course I wont tell you its right for a neighbourhood to be terrorised by Cujo (Why would I?)

9/10 a dog is excitable and wont bite

Not wrong for Africans to farm, wrong for Chinese fishing boats to herd up dolphins with large nets, drag them into shallow waters then butcher them and leave them squirming in the sea (as one unacceptable act). I dont know where the African farmers come into it?

I contribute towards animal charities, im married to a pig (only joking!)

As for charging towards cannon fire do you think the soldiers wanted too as well? Are we stupid for committing such acts?

 

[Foredeckdave]

Doesn't matter if they're dogs, tortoises, sparrows or Thomson's gazelles; just because you own a field and run a business you don't have the right to break the law or treat animals cruelly. But as it is dogs we're talking about, does he have the right to shoot guide dogs tied to a stick? Police sniffer dogs? Working collies or labs? Or just stray family pets, regardless of whether they were indeed in any way shape or form molesting his animals?

There is a reason why, in a democracy, we have laws against cruelty to animals, specifically, in this case, dogs. He broke the law, lied, and was treated with jaw-dropping leniency for reasons that are open to speculation. Should you wish to challenge this law and stand for parliament on a pro cruelty, allow any farmer the right to destroy any life on their property in whichever way they see fit ticket, by all means do so. And we have the democratic right to make decisions about from whom and what organisations we buy our food, based upon our own ethical considerations. Hey, there may be enough of you cruelty-freaks to tip the balance in the favour of parliament changing the law and Asda and Tesco rushing to source their suppliers from like-minded maniacs. All's I'm saying is that we should be given the choice.

Hell, if it works in their favour we mightn't have to ****ing subsidise the vermin so much.

See. There you go ranting again.

I don't give a bugger if he broke the law. It's up to the court based upon both the law and the evidence presented to decide in any law has been broken and if so what punishment is deemed appropriate. The farmer did face that justice but why didn't the dog owner also face a charge. It was her responsibility to look after those dogs and ensure that they presented no harm to anybody or were put in harms way themselves. She singularly failed in her duty as an owner. I'm not a dog owner but I live in a rural part of the country with a number of flocks of sheep nearby. It therefore seems stupidly arrogant to me to let a pet dog run free on land where those sheep may be.

Instead of ranting on here, why are you not organising an appeal against the court's decision - surely that would do more good?

 

[Jürgenmeiʃter]

Good luck with that. My old cat used to loll all over my legs when I was in bed which made it impossible to roll over and get to sleep. Died a year ago due to complications from hyperthyroidism. She was on hormone tablets for a long time which were nearly impossible to get her to eat as they obviously tasted bad, had to take her for blood tests fairly regularly too. Anyway, she ended up collapsing suddenly one morning, rushed her to the vets but she died when we got there. Had a very long, very good life at least. It's funny because she wasn't ours from being a kitten. We bought a male kitten about a year before she showed up as a stray, we took her in and it obviously pissed off our original cat because he did a runner and we never saw him again! So I always had mixed feelings towards the batard!

Yeah my other cat died of liver failure and had loads done at the vets. She collapsed and we found her in the morn (night before shed gone missing and I thought shed gone away to die but she eventually turned up wetthru) and called the vets and they came out and there was nothing more they could do. They obv knew her history

Its consoulling if they are older but she was too young and should have lived longer. I had to go out while they put her to sleep, I couldnt bear to see it <coward>

 

[Jürgenmeiʃter]

I'm at my ex's looking after the animals whilst she's away. Got this little ****er on my pillow. Need to get my head down.

Aww Zingy, at least you found some pussy that wants to sit on your pillow, just make sure you turn the pillow over before you rest your weary head

Is that a Rag Doll cat?

 

[Ivan Dobsky]

Don't tell me that animals have the same level of rights as human beings

Nobody did.

. Don't tell me that it's justified for animal activists to blow people up because they don't agree with them.

Er, where did this happen on this thread?

Don't tell me that its right that whole neighbourhoods are terrorised by savage dogs or children attack by pit bull-like dogs.

Total agreement.

Or that a child is terrified in the park because a dog runs at the them and jumps up at them whilst the owner says "Oh it's OK he's just excitable and won't bite".

Not nice at all that.

Well no it bloody well isn't!!!

And er, who said it was?

If you want to protect endangered species then put your hand further in your pocket to protect them.

Shocking, utterly shocking. If this planet had any consciousness it'd get rid of humans before we ****ing destroy it.

Species have become extinct since time began for many differing reasons.

We have little control over asteroids the size of mountains hitting us. The mass slaughter of whales is different.

Is it wrong for Africans to want more land to farm?

No. we're setting the benchmark for that one. Let's just keep on producing genetically selected and bred mutations such as domestic livestock that consume more arable food in their existence that could feed double the amount of humans that they do.

As for horses. Yes they are stupid. Don't tell me that the horses that were engaged in the charge of the light brigade actually wanted to go galloping towrds rifle and canon fire! So they will go where they don't want too

True, I've never seen a horse on mastermind, but the 'dumbness' of animals is all the more reason to treat them humanely.

And that's the point. you confuse (deliberately) the logical and rational desire to treat animals (even those we eat) considerately with some sort of sentimental schmaltz. I was out walking my lab when he was a puppy and he ran towards a rottweiller on a lead that was muzzled. the owner asked me to take my dog away (which I of course did) as he explained that it wasn't his dog and he was walking it for the RSPCA. He explained that he didn't know how it would react as it had been kept in a single room for five years and just used as a breeding machine. Yes, the sentimental part of me was sickened as to how anyone could do that to an animal, but the practical side of me thought that surely the poor thing would have been better of humanely destroyed than the existence it now had.

The difference between you, me, fool and this farmer is that I don't think I have the right to break the law based upon my opinions or career status (or land ownership) , to then lie about it and then expect leniency because this is the way it's done in the countryside. That and the fact that I don't think I have the right to simply kill any creature simply on the basis that it's not human.

 

[Jürgenmeiʃter]

Dave, we share our planet with some amazing animals and I'd like to keep it that way

"Shocking, utterly shocking. If this planet had any consciousness it'd get rid of humans before we ****ing destroy it." Donga not all humans want to do this, I think now a days ppl are alot more planet aware. The next lot of cars look all set to be electric for instance, is it all to little too late though. I hate this arrogance of some humans though that this planet is ours and we just do what the **** we want just because we top the food chain

Anyway Im off, night all

 

[Foredeckdave]

What is the rights of human beings? It differs so much from country to country. Some animal activists (very very minute percentage) do that which is unacceptable obviously

Of course I wont tell you its right for a neighbourhood to be terrorised by Cujo (Why would I?)

9/10 a dog is excitable and wont bite

Not wrong for Africans to farm, wrong for Chinese fishing boats to herd up dolphins with large nets, drag them into shallow waters then butcher them and leave them squirming in the sea (as one unacceptable act). I dont know where the African farmers come into it?

I contribute towards animal charities, im married to a pig (only joking!)

As for charging towards cannon fire do you think the soldiers wanted too as well? Are we stupid for committing such acts?

Coming back to reality - but it has been fun playing the agent-provocateur!

I totally accept that no animal should be treated badly. How' badly' is classified is always going to be contentious and vary from state to state. There will always be practices that those from one culture believe are cruel when they view the activities of another culture in relation to animals. So should the Spaniards stop bull fighting because we don't like it? Closer to home, should course fishing be banned because some animal rights protesters dislike the sport/pastime?

The scenario that I put about the child and the dog happens nearly every day. For goodness sake the child endures the terror and has no way of knowing if the dog will or will not bite. Yet the owner has no conscience about the trauma that his/her dog is causing!

I don't know about the Chinese fishing activities. If that is their traditional way of catching dolphins then who are we to criticise - after all we don't sea the terror amd mayhem when cod and haddock are caught in a trawl do we?

The reason I mentioned the African farmers was because of your reference to the larger african wild animals. To sustain them they need large tracks of land. However the farmers in Africa also need that land to feed their growing populations. So there will always be a tension. At it's ultimate point I'm clear about where I stand - people are more important than animals.

As for the soldiers. There does come a time when humans do have to engage in war and commit acts that, in peace time they would not envisage doing. History appears to teach us that the best we can do is to try and limit the number of times that we actually do have to go to war.

Must say though - it has been fun

 

[Foredeckdave]

"Shocking, utterly shocking. If this planet had any consciousness it'd get rid of humans before we ****ing destroy it."

What a complete load of utter bollocks!!

Did you mean that the planet has the ability to demonstrate consciousness ie be in a state where cognition can take place? Or did you mean that the planet has a conscience?

As far as I am aware, humans are the only animals on the planet who demonstrate the full aptitude to do/have either. Therefore I don't think we'll all be undertaking mass suicide - but if you want to start the trend....

 

[Ivan Dobsky]

"Shocking, utterly shocking. If this planet had any consciousness it'd get rid of humans before we ****ing destroy it."

What a complete load of utter bollocks!!

You REALLY think that we have the right to make extinct any life form we so choose because we are capable of doing so? And that farmers are right to shoot stray dogs in the head when tied to a stick after they were handed to them in good faith, then lie about the reasons for doing this, because some dogs some time jump up to kids in parks?

You need a new definition of what is bollocks sport, you really, utterly do.

 

[Foredeckdave]

You REALLY think that we have the right to make extinct any life form we so choose because we are capable of doing so? And that farmers are right to shoot stray dogs in the head when tied to a stick after they were handed to them in good faith, then lie about the reasons for doing this, because some dogs some time jump up to kids in parks?

You need a new definition of what is bollocks sport, you really, utterly do.

Yes we do have the right to make other species extinct if we want to. Sometimes it is in our best interests as a species to do so. I would gladly exterminate every malarial mosquito if I could.

Sometimes species will become extinct because of the spread of human activity and the resultant loss of habitats. So should we limit human population just to secure a future for other species? I think not!

But back to these bloody dogs and the farmer. The court made a decision. You don't like it then contest it BUT also take the owner to court for gross negligence. But you won't do that will you because your like the other arrogant dog owners who feel that it's OK to let their 'pets' infect childrens play areas. How more arrogant can you be to trivialise the potential trauma to a child that can be caused by an uncontrolled dog.

So you are talking complete and utter bollocks!

 

[Dangerously Delicious]

Yes we do have the right to make other species extinct if we want to. Sometimes it is in our best interests as a species to do so. I would gladly exterminate every malarial mosquito if I could.

Sometimes species will become extinct because of the spread of human activity and the resultant loss of habitats. So should we limit human population just to secure a future for other species? I think not!

FFS Have to chime in on this. Don't you think that the planet actually knows what it's doing perfectly well without the oh so superior human input, that it can't regulate itself? Just ****ing watch this. He's right. Human beings are meaningless, that's the truth, and we do everything we can in life to prove that we are meaningful and our life actually matters because really we are insignificant, inadequate, very finite and ****ing terrified about that.

[video=youtube;MXTBotdauPo]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MXTBotdauPo[/video]

 

[Foredeckdave]

FFS Have to chime in on this. Don't you think that the planet actually knows what it's doing perfectly well without the oh so superior human input, that it can't regulate itself? Just ****ing watch this. He's right. Human beings are meaningless, that's the truth, and we do everything we can in life to prove that we are meaningful and our life actually matters because really we are insignificant, inadequate, very finite and ****ing terrified about that.

[video=youtube;MXTBotdauPo]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MXTBotdauPo[/video]

Well if you think he's right then you have the solution in your own hands. Stop preaching at me!

 

[THE FOOL]

Wrong, I live in the sticks and have 2 friends who own working farms and like I say, you're wrong

The crime committed here is the killing of a families pet, but you know that dont you and just looking for a rise

I dont know where you get off with all these insults to be honest

I was fishing abit - insults got out of hand, apologies to anybody concerned. Tobes and Donga esp.

To be honest it wasn't really a response to the article, more the general out-pouring of grief about a couple of dogs. i bet if it was cats every ****er would be celebrating.


Only joking cat lovers.

 

[Zingy]

Aww Zingy, at least you found some pussy that wants to sit on your pillow, just make sure you turn the pillow over before you rest your weary head

Is that a Rag Doll cat?

Nah, it's a Burman. Got some attitude on it too. Won't go near a litter box if there's a single **** in it. Would rather the sofa or the bed.

 

[Red Hadron Collider]

Yeah, the reactionary in me says beat him down into a ditch and take pot shots at him with his sodding air gun, but what good would that do. Just re-read the article and had missed the part that says the dog was lying there bleeding out for three days. The most worrying thing is that if a man can treat his dog in that way it's not a great leap to treating a human the same way.

I understand it's common that serial killers start of torturing and killing animals. Sky can shed more light on this.

























Not because he's a serial killer, but because he's a forensic psychologist

 

[Red Hadron Collider]

"Shocking, utterly shocking. If this planet had any consciousness it'd get rid of humans before we ****ing destroy it."

What a complete load of utter bollocks!!

Did you mean that the planet has the ability to demonstrate consciousness ie be in a state where cognition can take place? Or did you mean that the planet has a conscience?

As far as I am aware, humans are the only animals on the planet who demonstrate the full aptitude to do/have either. Therefore I don't think we'll all be undertaking mass suicide - but if you want to start the trend....

Have you never heard of 'Gaia' Dave?

 

[Foredeckdave]

Have you never heard of 'Gaia' Dave?

Gaia was supposed to be a Greek goddess - the original earth mother. Not a philosophy or religion that I care to follow. Plus the archytipal Earth Mother of the Feminist Movement were enough to put anybody off forever!!

Now I don't know if DD has been sucking on the tit of one of those harridans but the statement that he made IS a complete load of bollocks!

 

[Red Hadron Collider]

Gaia was supposed to be a Greek goddess - the original earth mother. Not a philosophy or religion that I care to follow. Plus the archytipal Earth Mother of the Feminist Movement were enough to put anybody off forever!!

Now I don't know if DD has been sucking on the tit of one of those harridans but the statement that he made IS a complete load of bollocks!

Not like you Dave

 

[Foredeckdave]

Not like you Dave

We all make mistakes - occassionally!!!

So if you must archetypal