If he can get bail with what that magistrate said (then gave him bail regardless) then he can get away with it. The magistrate said she was shot from 1.5 metres away through a closed door in his toilet without any attempt by him to ascertain who it was.
There a lot of barrack room lawyers on here. Everyone is entitled to an opinion but people need to engage their brains first, ideally review the facts of the case as they are now and then consider the law. Yes the magistrate went on a while but at he same time he meticulously went through the evidence presented by both sides thus far, cited the statutory test and common law that governs bail (which is all the last few days has been concerned with) and then came to what was an inevitable conclusion, being that bail was granted. He's the South African equivalent of Beckham so he can't exactly sneak off anywhere, he's handed in his passport (voluntarily), doesn't own the place in Italy, has not shown a previous propensity to violence, provided a detailed affidavit addressing the states case and there's a massive question mark as to whether schedule 6 is the appropriate charge. The state failed to provide any argument of merit that justified bail not bent granted. You may not agree with it, you may not like it and you may think he's guilty but that doesn't make an iota of difference; the state failed to provide any argument of merit that justified bail not bent granted. There's no doubt he shot her. That doesn't mean he murdered her. However unlikely some may find it, he's innocent until proven guilty
All true, but equally, what sort of a **** unloads four barrels into his bog door, without checking first to see if it's a member of his family taking a piss? Mental.
I suspect that a great number would happily say the same about you Ben given your wumming! OPs reasons will come out undue course but he wouldn't be the first person to kill a family member in error. Personally think he'll get a variant of our manslaughter with a lowish prison sentence at a low security prison
I've heard Johnny Mongrel is gutted that he's got to wait until June,at least, to bunk with Oscar. Pretty boy with no means of running away equates to one sore anus I reckon. At least this period he's spending remanded on bail means he can stock up on KY. If he gets convicted of murder then he's ****ed, literally.
You're probably right, but if I shot my missus in the bathroom, I doubt i'd ever see the light of day again. There is no possible justification for shooting people without having the slightest idea who they are, if he wasn't OP, he'd get life.
I don't advocate the Death Penalty merely highlighted that there are probably a few people of the myriad of threads on this site who think you're a plank and would string you up. Clearly that isn't going to happen, it's a turn of phrase so man up. If you want to have a debate, at least engage the grey matter. You're entitled to your opinion. You don't need to be a berk and abuse people just because they disagree, primarily because they have the benefit of a knowledge of the legal principles. The counter argument re why did he shoot I to the door is that if you have a genuine fear for your own safety in a country where gun crime is rife, you wouldn't necessarily shout out 'who's there, I've got a gun' or words to that effect as the person inside may just shoot you first. OP is long to have to explain himself but there's a notable difference in what people here in the UK say they would do and the views of people living in the US, SA and other countries where gun possession is common. It's also not correct to say he's been released purely because he is OP. People being bailed happens here in similar situations (admittedly not as often). In the OP case, the state didn't satisfy the requisite burden of proof (they were bloody miles off!) so he bailed. The irony is that you probably think that Tony Martin was hard done by!
Give it a rest Ben. Despite what you think your opinion.is just that, your opinion. Others may and will disagree with it particularly as what you say seems.to go against our rule of law
Fair do's Ben. I just thought your comment that he was guilty as sin out of order. There is no way of knowing if he's guilty yet. The prosecution case made it sound bad, but the defence successfully put huge holes in the prosecutions case. And to suggest that lawyers representing people charged with a criminal offence who turn out to be guilty are as bad as their clients is in my view offensive
so what you're saying is that murderers should stay free. because without a defending lawyer, there ain't gonna be a day in court.
if a defence lawyer is going to be automatically locked up, there'd be no defence lawyers. therefore no court case. therefore all murderers get to stay free. you got to think these things through.
Good point made about the family/friends cheering when bail was announced like he was some kind of a hero not somebody who shot his girlfriend whether it was murder/manslaughter or not!
The cheer was inevitable. If a family member is granted bail when the alternative is that they'll be banged up for 9-12 months before trial, the majority of relatives will internally scream 'get in' but someone always lets it out, like the chappie did in this case. Wonder is soppy bollocks has calmed down yet? In answer to his query, no I'm not a criminal defence lawyer, though even if I was, the presumption of innocent until proven guilty still applies, regardless of how implausible some may view OP's version of events. It is worrying, however, that someone who, if memory serves correct, has previously said he's a teacher, is responsible for the nurture of the next generation. One only hopes that he's modern day Jekyll & Hyde; serious, thought provoking and logical in the day job rather than the irrational, emotive, sporadic maelstrom that posts on here!
Huntley etc were found guilty in a court of law. They therefore deserve every minute of their sentence. As regards a more superior knowledge of the subject matter, if you mean the law, then yes, you're not even on the same planet. If it's the case in question, then we're on a roughly level playing field, assuming you've read the magistrates judgment. Need to relax a bit, your need to be abusive and aggressive clouds your judgment. Either that or all the awards you're getting on here are justified (I'd given you the benefit of the doubt before and thought Proud, Akcj etc were being spiteful but I fear they may have a point). No doubt you'll be unable to leave it and will want the last word. Knock yourself out, though much as I've enjoyed the look into your psyche, it's getting a bit repetitive now so I'll probably just leave you to vent alone
Up to now I have believed the story that he thought she was a burglar because I just couldn't see why he would ruin his life by murdering her, however today I read that supposedly the Police have said that she was battered with the cricket bat and then shot. It was previously said the cricket bat was used to break the door open but then I thought it odd that his girlfriend would actually lock herself in the bathroom in is house when no one else is around. I am sure most people would not bother to lock the door in their own home.
