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  1. Craigo

    Craigo Well-Known Member

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    So nearly 38% of the OSC members voted no to the name change. Impressive. <whistle>
     
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  2. Hank Scorpio

    Hank Scorpio Well-Known Member

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    Something needs to be done.

    I got cheated out the quiz once, on a technicality. I want revenge.
     
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  3. originallambrettaman

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    Actually, they really didn't, a 63% response to a vote is about as good as it gets.
     
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  4. originallambrettaman

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    OFFICIAL SUPPORTERS CLUB BALLOT RESULTS

    The results of the Hull City Official Supporters Club&#8217;s ballot of its members on the name change were published today.

    A quick reminder of the context of this poll first. On Tuesday 14 January, Sky Sports reported that Dr Allam had promised to &#8220;walk away&#8221; from the club within 24 hours if the FA did not approve the name change. The very next day, Wednesday 15 January, the club announced the record signing of Nikica Jelavic, and ballot papers began to arrive with OSC members.

    Despite the threat of financial uncertainty, and significant investment in the playing squad, a clear majority of OSC members still chose to vote against the name change.

    The question asked was:

    Do you agree to the Club&#8217;s request to change its playing name from Hull City AFC to Hull Tigers? YES or NO.

    The results were as follows:

    Members who voted YES: 377 (40.5%)
    Members who voted NO: 555 (59.5%)

    Ballot form sent to 1477 members
    Total number of votes received: 932
    Turnout: 63%

    You can read an OSC statement on the poll here: http://www.hullcityosc.com/news/members-name-change-poll-results/
    City Till We Die would like to thank the OSC once again for providing the resources required to conduct this poll, the results of which will be included in their submission to the FA. Now that a clear majority of their membership have voted against the name change, we trust that this will be reflected in future OSC statements and policy.

    The fact that so many OSC members voted in favour of keeping our historic name despite Dr Allam&#8217;s threat to &#8220;walk away&#8221; clearly demonstrates the strength of feeling on this subject. It also further weakens claims that a so-called &#8220;silent majority&#8221; are in favour of Dr Allam&#8217;s plans, or that the No To Hull Tigers campaign only reflects the views of a small minority of City supporters. It should now be clear to any impartial observer that neither of these claims is true.

    This is just the latest in a series of poll results that demonstrate majority opposition to the name change proposal (see www.citytillwedie.com/stats for further details), including a Hull Daily Mail poll in December, in which 69% of 3,450 respondents voted against any change to the club&#8217;s name. In a previous OSC poll (with a significantly smaller turnout) conducted in October, 58% voted against the name change, with just 29% in favour and 13% &#8220;indifferent&#8221;.
    The results of the new OSC poll complete the jigsaw: all Hull City supporter groups who have voted on the issue have now come out unequivocally in opposition to the name change. They are joined by the Football Supporters Federation, Supporters Direct, supporters&#8217; trusts around the country, leading football journalists, pundits and former players, experts in business and marketing, and numerous members of Hull City Council. All are now speaking with one voice to say, &#8220;No To Hull Tigers&#8221;.

    No further discussion is required on the subject of whether or not the No To Hull Tigers view is a majority view. It clearly is.

    The question that remains unanswered is why Dr Allam is continuing to attempt to force through this change, against the wishes of the majority of his existing customer base, when there is no real evidence that it will benefit our football club. No surveys have been done. No hard data has been presented. No serious case has been made to support the argument that it will bring in additional revenue.

    We await his answer.

    CITY TILL WE DIE

    City Till We Die represents Amber Nectar, City Independent, Hull City Southern Supporters, the Tigers Co-op, members of the Not 606 forum, and the &#8216;Ulltras.
     
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  5. WhittlingStick

    WhittlingStick Well-Known Member

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    there is a lot of interpretation of the OSC vote ,
    60/40 shows a clear majority if not overwhelming ,

    id say a 60/40 is the desired split to give the head of the group the direction in which to take their members .

    If we allow ourselves not to second guess the abstainers then lets not try to guess why the 40% voted yes .
    this is the only part of the CTWD campaign that pisses me off - that anyone who thinks differently is a lesser supporter

    Personally i think the OSC should now support the No campaign properly, and if that means losing privileges , then so be it
    otherwise the OSC will cease to exist as anything with any meaning
     
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  6. Newland Tiger

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    I still think the only fair way to do it is ballot all season ticket holders but what can you do if Mr Allam doesn't want to do that ?

    I think you can safely say though that if even the OSC votes against a name change then it isn't a small minority who are against it

    Time for Mr Allam to see sense or will he do go in the other direction ?
     
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  7. Quill

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    Compared to how many who voted yes?



    The fact that CTWD has more members than the OSC speaks volumes.
     
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  8. Hiker

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    'Personally i think the OSC should now support the No campaign properly, and if that means losing privileges , then so be it ...'

    Agree.
     
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  9. ImperialTiger

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    Not sure that's accurate. Perhaps a majority of members who cast their votes.
     
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  10. mostynthecat

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    the majority of those who have voted are against the name change - we can all agree on that. but to try and correlate all the different polls into a whole picture is a greyer area - as some of those who voted on one poll will have voted on each poll therefore skewing the figures (it is like the claim that employment is at an all time high, when some of the total number of people in work will count part-timers - and we all know that one person can have several part time jobs. Hopefully that is not political but just a statistical fact). Of course CTWD's members all voted the correct way (in their dear leaders eyes) as otherwise what is the point of joining that group (that thread a bit ago about pro namers infiltrating that group proves nonsense judging by that vote result).
     
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  11. originallambrettaman

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    In any vote, only those who actually bother to cast a vote are counted, so it's accurate.
     
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  12. Newland Tiger

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    Did the vote include junior members of the OSC ? Or just those over 18 ?
     
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  13. originallambrettaman

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    I believe you had to be over 16 to vote.
     
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  14. GLP

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    Edited.
     
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  15. ImperialTiger

    ImperialTiger Well-Known Member

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    Whilst I agree that the polls shows more are against the change than are for it "clear majority of their membership" is just factually inaccurate and doesn't do the statement any favours.

    Lies, damn lies and statistics.
     
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  16. Muffinthegoat

    Muffinthegoat Well-Known Member

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    Or to put it another way, only a quarter of the members think AA can do what he likes and 75% don't.
     
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  17. ImperialTiger

    ImperialTiger Well-Known Member

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    That too
     
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  18. Trumpton Tiger.

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    He could also say that the 40% (and I heard the official vote was 63% against 37% for) have buckled under the threat of blackmail.
    Because a 'accept or I walk' is nothing more then blackmail.
    Besides who exactly is Bernard Noble to have such a significant say in such an important decision ?
    What is his history?
    How long has he been supporting City ?
    Was he around when we were ****e ? Because I don't remember him.
    And the vote will be closer then last year because last year AA wasn't threatening to pull the plug.
    His interview on RH was nothing more then his opinion and to my knowledge no-one from the OSC gave him a brief of what to say.
    The OSC will take a battering over this and if the name change goes through I can seen them folding completely.
     
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  19. originallambrettaman

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    I've got a lot of sympathy for the bloke who runs the OSC official Twitter feed, he's getting a lot of grief from people tonight, but they don't realise that he's actually been a big supporter of the City Till We Die campaign.
     
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  20. Evington

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    Agree (thought it was worth my first post on here :D )
     
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