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MrCasse said:
I stand by it... Sports standards develop and the physical requirements of Today's game are beyond the players of the past... Anyone that was playing football ls prehistoric years wouldn't cut the mustard Today.

It's why the idiots above a certain age still scratch their heads about Todays players having issues playing 3 times a week.

I understand you're old, so you'll have an emotional bias towards players from your youth.
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I’d argue that the likes of Green and Beardsley relied on sheer talent and skill rather than athleticism so would still shine now. Shearer was strong, good in the air, ruthless, had a powerful and accurate shot, was a brilliant finisher and didn’t really rely on general athleticism. Football is about more than just phyisicality and athleticism. Also not forgetting that if they were around today they would train in today’s methods.
 
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What a bizarre argument. You can obviously look at players from the 70s and 80s and think how they'd fit in and play today. Physical requirements are irrelevant as those older players would do modern day training and fitness routines if they were playing today.
 
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magpie290761 said:
I’d argue that the likes of Green and Beardsley relied on sheer talent and skill rather than athleticism so would still shine now. Shearer was strong, good in the air, ruthless, had a powerful and accurate shot, was a brilliant finisher and didn’t really rely on general athleticism. Football is about more than just phyisicality and athleticism. Also not forgetting that if they were around today they would train in today’s methods.
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Some can't stand upto the physical demands required today and have all the skill in the world. We can only go on what they were and Today the demands really are in another universe.

The other key factor his that sportsmen have always raised bar over time... There's a reason why they got faster fitter and better... This happens in all sports.

Shearer wasn't playing too long ago.
 
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MrCasse said:
Some can't stand upto the physical demands required today and have all the skill in the world. We can only go on what they were and Today the demands really are in another universe.

The other key factor his that sportsmen have always raised bar over time... There's a reason why they got faster fitter and better... This happens in all sports.

Shearer wasn't playing too long ago.
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You mean like Hall, Tino, Botman etc do?
 
MrCasse said:
Some can't stand upto the physical demands required today and have all the skill in the world. We can only go on what they were and Today the demands really are in another universe.

The other key factor his that sportsmen have always raised bar over time... There's a reason why they got faster fitter and better... This happens in all sports.

Shearer wasn't playing too long ago.
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The point being that if they were in the game now they would train as they do now also that football isn’t just about being faster and fitter
 
magpie290761 said:
The point being that if they were in the game now they would train as they do now also that football isn’t just about being faster and fitter
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There's an assumption that they could actually be genetically capable of reaching the athletic requirements.
 
MrCasse said:
Some can't stand upto the physical demands required today and have all the skill in the world. We can only go on what they were and Today the demands really are in another universe.

The other key factor his that sportsmen have always raised bar over time... There's a reason why they got faster fitter and better... This happens in all sports.

Shearer wasn't playing too long ago.
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The rabbit hole of an endless cyclical argument opens up...

The point is in the 70s and 80s got wasted the night before games, went to strip clubs, did drugs etc. These days we have tedious fitness fanatics with strict diet regimes and safe and healthy lifestyles. Ie compare the autobiographies of Mick Quinn and Tony Adams with the boring **** that will be Harry Kane's book.

If these 70s and 80s players were playing now they wouldn't have that debauched lifestyle and would be introduced to the fitness regimes, diets and lifestyle regulations of the modern game as soon as they started, and become modern athletes as opposed to the type of athletes they were back in the day. Hence Bobby Charlton, Kevin Keegan, George Best etc would still be top players today were they in today's generation.
 
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Oh yeah and there's a question to answer....

Well I guess I've gotta go with Isak, as he fitted into this team perfectly and his finishing was deadly, whereas now we frequently fluff great chances (see Wissa vs City) and are relying on Barnes more than our strikers right now. Plus Isak has finally managed to stay fit last season......I really that has changed now lol.

Beardsley would be close though, but we'd need a Cole/Ferdinand finisher/target man for Beardsley to work properly.
 
Charlie Snakescock said:
The rabbit hole of an endless cyclical argument opens up...

The point is in the 70s and 80s got wasted the night before games, went to strip clubs, did drugs etc. These days we have tedious fitness fanatics with strict diet regimes and safe and healthy lifestyles. Ie compare the autobiographies of Mick Quinn and Tony Adams with the boring **** that will be Harry Kane's book.

If these 70s and 80s players were playing now they wouldn't have that debauched lifestyle and would be introduced to the fitness regimes, diets and lifestyle regulations of the modern game as soon as they started, and become modern athletes as opposed to the type of athletes they were back in the day. Hence Bobby Charlton, Kevin Keegan, George Best etc would still be top players today were they in today's generation.
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Not necessarily, because genetics play are part in who can reach the requirements athletically Today.

We're saying the actual player of the past playing now not a hypothetical one... Otherwise it's reaching.
 
MrCasse said:
Not necessarily, because genetics play are part in who can reach the requirements athletically Today.

We're saying the actual player of the past playing now not a hypothetical one... Otherwise it's reaching.
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Eh? The actual players of the past would be subject to the same fitness protocols, diets and exercise regimes of the current day.

Genetics? They're humans and today's players are humans, they're the same thing...the human race hasn't evolved so goalkeepers have 3 arms these days as the 2 armed goalkeepers of the 70s can't compete.
 
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Charlie Snakescock said:
Eh? The actual players of the past would be subject to the same fitness protocols, diets and exercise regimes of the current day.

Genetics? They're humans and today's players are humans, they're the same thing...the human race hasn't evolved so goalkeepers have 3 arms these days as the 2 armed goalkeepers of the 70s can't compete.
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No we're not all the same.. We have genetic differences and capabilities physically and mentally .. We all have genetic limits.

The requirements today athletically are another universe and some may simply not be able to hit them.

Hence the reason why you can only compare what the players actually were and not a hypothetical version in today's game.
 
If we're doing that I'll just take Linford Christie with today's football coaches and technology and invent a hypothetically great striker.
 
MrCasse said:
Not necessarily, because genetics play are part in who can reach the requirements athletically Today.

We're saying the actual player of the past playing now not a hypothetical one... Otherwise it's reaching.
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What’s hypothetical about a player from the past playing today and training like the players of today?
 
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