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SydneyTiger14 said:
Not suggesting that, the implication from Bruce and that article is no one knew his child had died.
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I find some of these comments a bit insensitive.
Your all guessing.
and to be truthful it's Livermore's personal life and **** all to do with any of you.
Talk about Judge and Jury.
 
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do people really take everything Steve Bruce says as gospel?? **** me.

He's closing the discussion down. What do you want him to sy we had extensive knowledge of Jakes doings. We had him in constantly talking to him. We knew summat was going on etc etc

Its done its over. Bruces job was to protect the club, Jake
tubbylard said:
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I find some of these comments a bit insensitive.
Your all guessing.
and to be truthful it's Livermore's personal life and **** all to do with any of you.
Talk about Judge and Jury.
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Exactly.
People seem to want to take what Steve Bruce says in the press as gospel. It isnt. He's closing the discussion down and protecting the club. First and foremost. Why cant people get that.
 
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Chazz Rheinhold said:
do people really take everything Steve Bruce says as gospel?? **** me.

He's closing the discussion down. What do you want him to sy we had extensive knowledge of Jakes doings. We had him in constantly talking to him. We knew summat was going on etc etc

Its done its over. Bruces job was to protect the club, Jake

Exactly.
People seem to want to take what Steve Bruce says in the press as gospel. It isnt. He's closing the discussion down and protecting the club. First and foremost. Why cant people get that.
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Because I would think Bruce saying he was aware of what had happened but didn't expect Jake to do what he did is no worse than what is being portrayed except it makes the club look a **** load more aware and inclusive. Him saying he had no idea and never spoke to Jake is doing the club a disservice not a favour. Not sure what's difficult to comprehend about that.
 
SydneyTiger14 said:
Because I would think Bruce saying he was aware of what had happened but didn't expect Jake to do what he did is no worse than what is being portrayed except it makes the club look a **** load more aware and inclusive. Him saying he had no idea and never spoke to Jake is doing the club a disservice not a favour. Not sure what's difficult to comprehend about that.
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you're a boring argumentative ****.
 
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SydneyTiger14 said:
He doesn't. He also rarely has more than two good seasons with a club.
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That's because he rarely has a third season because he gets poached by other bigger clubs:
  • Porto - end of season 2 goes to Chelsea after winning the Champions League
  • Chelsea - in season 3 wins the FA Cup and League Cup. That kind of failure must haunt him...
  • Inter - end of season 2 goes to Real Madrid after winning the Champions League
  • Real Madrid - in season 3 he got to the Champions League semi and lost the final of the copa del rey. His worst season of his career at that point.
  • Chelsea - sacked 5 months into season 3 when current champions.
So as you'll see, he's actually only spent a 3rd season at 2 clubs as he's a victim of his own success. But you know, facts and a good story and all that...
 
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Bum_Chinned_Crab said:
That's because he rarely has a third season because he gets poached by other bigger clubs:
  • Porto - end of season 2 goes to Chelsea after winning the Champions League
  • Chelsea - in season 3 wins the FA Cup and League Cup. That kind of failure must haunt him...
  • Inter - end of season 2 goes to Chelsea after winning the Champions League
  • Real Madrid - in season 3 he got to the Champions League semi and lost the final of the copa del rey. His worst season of his career at that point.
  • Chelsea - sacked 5 months into season 3 when current champions.
So as you'll see, he's actually only spent a 3rd season at 2 clubs as he's a victim of his own success. But you know, facts and a good story and all that...
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He doesn't get poached, he leaves because he loses the players in the third season. Chelsea twice and real have gotten rid.
 
SydneyTiger14 said:
He doesn't get poached, he leaves because he loses the players in the third season. Chelsea twice and real have gotten rid.
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I didnt say he got poached in his 3rd season. I said he got poached at the end of his 2nd season. Which he did. He's only had 2 3rd seasons in his career, so it's hardly a trend.
 
Bum_Chinned_Crab said:
That's because he rarely has a third season because he gets poached by other bigger clubs:
  • Porto - end of season 2 goes to Chelsea after winning the Champions League
  • Chelsea - in season 3 wins the FA Cup and League Cup. That kind of failure must haunt him...
  • Inter - end of season 2 goes to Chelsea after winning the Champions League
  • Real Madrid - in season 3 he got to the Champions League semi and lost the final of the copa del rey. His worst season of his career at that point.
  • Chelsea - sacked 5 months into season 3 when current champions.
So as you'll see, he's actually only spent a 3rd season at 2 clubs as he's a victim of his own success. But you know, facts and a good story and all that...
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That's not actually facts by the way but your spin on events. Listen to most players that have played under him. I'm not saying he's not a good manager in the short term, but there's a reason he doesn't stay long at clubs.
 
SydneyTiger14 said:
That's not actually facts by the way but your spin on events. Listen to most players that have played under him. I'm not saying he's not a good manager in the short term, but there's a reason he doesn't stay long at clubs.
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Go on then, what in that list of events isnt a fact?

And by most players do you include Marco Materazzi openly crying when he left Inter?
 
Chazz Rheinhold said:
do people really take everything Steve Bruce says as gospel?? **** me.

He's closing the discussion down. What do you want him to sy we had extensive knowledge of Jakes doings. We had him in constantly talking to him. We knew summat was going on etc etc

Its done its over. Bruces job was to protect the club, Jake

Exactly.
People seem to want to take what Steve Bruce says in the press as gospel. It isnt. He's closing the discussion down and protecting the club. First and foremost. Why cant people get that.
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I think most are aware that Bruce is full of ****.
 
I've no idea what my missus is doing or thinking most of the time, let alone the people I work with. If Jake decided to bottle up what was happening, that's hardly Brucies fault.

He held his hand up, Jake is obviously dealing with it better now, it was a terrible thing, he made a terrible mistake, everyone, apart from some on here, have moved on.
 
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Bum_Chinned_Crab said:
Go on then, what in that list of events isnt a fact?

And by most players do you include Marco Materazzi openly crying when he left Inter?
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His first season at Chelsea in the most recent spell, the second half of last season where they limped to the title, his benching of Casillas and poor relationship with Ramos, the fact Terry got him sacked the first time he was manager - that's from Makelele by the way - and his issues with the media and players in Italy. I'll say again. He's a good manager. He will win titles or trophies in the short term, but I don't consider him a great manager because he inevitably disrupts the dressing room, causes friction, and burns out squads.
 
SydneyTiger14 said:
His first season at Chelsea in the most recent spell, the second half of last season where they limped to the title, his benching of Casillas and poor relationship with Ramos, the fact Terry got him sacked the first time he was manager - that's from Makelele by the way - and his issues with the media and players in Italy. I'll say again. He's a good manager. He will win titles or trophies in the short term, but I don't consider him a great manager because he inevitably disrupts the dressing room, causes friction, and burns out squads.
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For every player you just named you can name 10 who worship him. And every single manager in history has players who have fallen out with them.

And if being only the third man in history to win the European Cup / UCL with 2 different clubs - both of whom were massively unfancied - doesn't make you great then I dont know what does.
 
Bum_Chinned_Crab said:
For every player you just named you can name 10 who worship him. And every single manager in history has players who have fallen out with them.

And if being only the third man in history to win the European Cup / UCL with 2 different clubs - both of whom were massively unfancied - doesn't make you great then I dont know what does.
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He's a good manager but he's no Fergie.
 
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Bum_Chinned_Crab said:
For every player you just named you can name 10 who worship him. And every single manager in history has players who have fallen out with them.

And if being only the third man in history to win the European Cup / UCL with 2 different clubs - both of whom were massively unfancied - doesn't make you great then I dont know what does.
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Name some then.
 
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