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Hardly comparable given the relative expectations.

Big Sam only had to keep us up in the PL - a 29% win rate would do that.

Ross had to get us promoted automatically with 100 points (that was their aim wasn't it) a 50% win rate doesn't do that.
Agreed. It was just an equally skewed response to the subjective nature of the pro-Allardyce post that I was responding to.
 
Hardly comparable given the relative expectations.

Big Sam only had to keep us up in the PL - a 29% win rate would do that.

Ross had to get us promoted automatically with 100 points (that was their aim wasn't it) a 50% win rate doesn't do that.

Aye, those expectations are a bu**er like.
We played the best football we ever played in the premier league during his tenure. Not a great benchmark but nevertheless a fact.
He is on the nose with some but you cant deny he gets to the heart of problems and fixes them .
His teams are hard to beat and score against. He plays a settled team and tries not to tinker.
He spent a fraction of what moyes, o'neill, bruce spent and he had players regarded as duds or finished playing good football ( defoe, Kobe, khazri, Kabul, van aanholt ).
Contrast with the utter chaos ross created and presided over.
A team of hoofball chokers.
He should have been sacked last june. He got another chance and blew that.
Most fans wont miss him one bit

We played a lot better stuff with Reidy.
He spent less than others but promised big wages for several players and had gone before they were due to be paid(not saying that's his fault)
Some of his signings hung over us like a cloud for a good while.

A lot of Jack's supposed faults were a case of "give a dog a bad name then hang him for it". For chokers we certainly were good at winning from losing positions. As far as the chance he blew the fans decided he was the problem in spite of it being apparent that the recruitment team were not getting the players we needed.


All that said I would be happy to have Sam back and realise that Ross had to go for the sake of the atmosphere, just trying for a bit of balance in the overview
 
Kevin Phillips for me.
He has no experience..we need someone who has been there and done that..recently.
Stendel, Cook or maybe bowyer ( yes I know he played for them )
This fascination people have for good former players is mind boggling.
People say we need strong disciplinarians who will get up the players. Yet Kevin ball has been an abject failure every time.
 
Apart from Stoke, I think Rowett has done really well in his early stages of management....Burton were flying before he went to Birmingham, and iirc they sacked him and they dropped like a stone. He then went to Derby and did well....If he came and brought SKP as deputy, I'd settle for that for now.
 
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Wyke would've skied that cross last night 10 yards over the bar.
I do think Wyke would've probably scored that as the cross made the goal - the finish was very easy!

That said, I'm not sure what point you're trying to make as I stated that both Wyke and Grigg's finishing have been poor for us!
 
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Bad decision from him then, not good enough for us lol
Looked into it a bit more. He was only striker coach there and he left in the September to be Derby assistant manager so a step up for him personally and at that stage of the season no one could have expected Leicester to go on and win the title.
 
He has no experience..we need someone who has been there and done that..recently.
Stendel, Cook or maybe bowyer ( yes I know he played for them )
This fascination people have for good former players is mind boggling.
People say we need strong disciplinarians who will get up the players. Yet Kevin ball has been an abject failure every time.

Ball great player, but should have left Sunderland years ago., survived of often imo.
 
Aye, those expectations are a bu**er like.


We played a lot better stuff with Reidy.
He spent less than others but promised big wages for several players and had gone before they were due to be paid(not saying that's his fault)
Some of his signings hung over us like a cloud for a good while.

A lot of Jack's supposed faults were a case of "give a dog a bad name then hang him for it". For chokers we certainly were good at winning from losing positions. As far as the chance he blew the fans decided he was the problem in spite of it being apparent that the recruitment team were not getting the players we needed.


All that said I would be happy to have Sam back and realise that Ross had to go for the sake of the atmosphere, just trying for a bit of balance in the overview
You mention the atmosphere - Ross not being there will not help that if the performances don't improve. The who do we blame?

Just playing a bit of Devil's advocate mind - not saying I wanted Ross to stay, I didn't, but our fans at home are some of the hardest to please I've ever seen. Rarely do they get behind the club any more. I remember when we filled the place in the championship and, even when we were playing poor, the crowd supported the team. Roker park was always a great atmosphere. My guess is that expectation and generations change things. It's a well known fact that a team plays better when supported than it does when barracked. (also when better managed to be fair!) A lot of fans expect success and want it with style rather than effectiveness. That's something which has cost Jack Ross. When we won we were unconvincing. That said, we missed good chances in games we've drawn! (and lost!) That surely can;t be the managers fault?

Rock----Sunderland----Hard place
 
Apart from Stoke, I think Rowett has done really well in his early stages of management....Burton were flying before he went to Birmingham, and iirc they sacked him and they dropped like a stone. He then went to Derby and did well....If he came and brought SKP as deputy, I'd settle for that for now.

This actually is the one appointment that interests me and I can't quite put my finger on why.
 
Someone with experience for me. As far as I'm concerned we've already made a big gamble and I don't want to compound it by getting someone untried in or anyone who has failed with us before.

Dream team for me, as in not massively realistic, would be Allardyce with Phillips as his ass man and Rae on the coaching staff. Someone would need to make it clear to Sam that we don't want any dodgy under the table deals though.

More realistically Stendel I guess.
 
We played the best football we ever played in the premier league during his tenure. Not a great benchmark but nevertheless a fact.
He is on the nose with some but you cant deny he gets to the heart of problems and fixes them .
His teams are hard to beat and score against. He plays a settled team and tries not to tinker.
He spent a fraction of what moyes, o'neill, bruce spent and he had players regarded as duds or finished playing good football ( defoe, Kobe, khazri, Kabul, van aanholt ).
Contrast with the utter chaos ross created and presided over.
A team of hoofball chokers.
He should have been sacked last june. He got another chance and blew that.
Most fans wont miss him one bit
Under BSA "We played the best football we ever played in the premier league during his tenure"
I think a lot of people who saw us 4-0 up against Chelsea at half time
Philips win the Golden Boot Quinn chip in with 14 goals and finished 7th under Reid may disagree with that.
 
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Someone with experience for me. As far as I'm concerned we've already made a big gamble and I don't want to compound it by getting someone untried in or anyone who has failed with us before.

Dream team for me, as in not massively realistic, would be Allardyce with Phillips as his ass man and Rae on the coaching staff. Someone would need to make it clear to Sam that we don't want any dodgy under the table deals though.

More realistically Stendel I guess.
Pretty much the same as me, would have Mick Hartford around the coaching set up too