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Blimey lads. I go for a bit of golf and come back to this <laugh>. Honestly think there is a lot of anger and despair here, that isnt really warranted, not about Beale anyway.

I posted last night about his coaching record and experience. Real elite level stuff. Puts some of the experience of the so called young upcoming European coaches experience in the shade. I hear lads at Villa and Liverpool who saw him work and they say he is absolutely brilliant. So we have a head coach, whose reputation as a coach is unreal.

I think this country has been seduced by the prospect of young european coaches. It is the De Zerbi factor at the minute. I have been banging on for a while on here that a lot of it is emporers new clothes stuff. The young british coaches are every bit as qualified, imnovative, tactically aware etc. Dont let the narrative about the super powers folk like Still have kid you on would be my advice.

As for all the talk I read on here today about man management skills. I often here about bad man management, but nearly always from players who arent playing, dropped or want away. I never give any credit to fans of old clubs opinions - it is always the ones who like a whinge will whinge. I have a celtic supporting mate and he says rangers fans are all daft <laugh><laugh>. Seriously, what he does say is under Ange they were on a different level and Rangers squad was miles behind them, but he doesnt think Beale was the main reason. Imagine losing a league to Ange, who now seems to be showing his ability at Spurs, and that being seen as failure.

I honestly dont see any reason why this lad shouldnt do a better job than any of the ones folk were salivating over these last 2 weeks. The evidence isnt there. I fear a bit for him because fans didnt take to LJ because of how he spoke, and Beale will talk in similar ways. Hope folk can get beyond that and judge him on performances on the pitch.

Lastly, I have commented on KLD and Speakmans talk after Mowbray. In spite of all of my defence of Beale, I do not believe for one minute they would have had him on a shortlist of 2 or 3, when they decided Mowbray was to go. I suspect they have fallen for the foreign coaches are better story like so many. So this has the look of another poor effort somewhere in terms of head coach recruitment. I dont think it is knee jerk, but they seemingly havent been able to get who they would have targeted. KLD demands elite performance culture across the club. He might just get that with Beale, but I would be asking why we have twice now stumbled through a process after getting rid of a gaffer. Doesnt look very elite to me. I have voiced concern before about whether are attractive for coaches as we think we are. I have to say our record of firing coaches is awful, and not getting better. I honestly think some who might want think we arent to be trusted to keep our end of the bargain. Coaches want time, it isnt anymore like the old firefighter coaches, or those who buy their team, it is a longer process now. We dont allow time and it goes against us.

Now, onto letting Beale do his job. I reckon after a nights kip, a win tomorrow, we all might start to look forward to what might be, rather than what might have been. Haway the lads.
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Hhhaaawwwwaaaaayyyyyyy the lads
 
Just a small thing. Asked a lad in the Liverpool setup directly about him. He says top class coach. Brilliant with players and said his sessions were so different when he landed, players loved training. Also said he thought he was just a decent fella who talked sense and didnt really see why he would be a rubbish man manager. Pinch of salt because Liverpool loved him, but there you go anyway. Doubt any of us would argue his coaching upbringing at Chelsea, Liverpool, Sao Paulo, isnt top level. Dodds been exceptional two games, but does he have that pedigree? Does Helborg, Still etc?
 
I think the backlash from a couple of hundred internet users is completely irrelevant to a billionaire mind m8

He doesn't read this **** or that other **** over the road. He's a billionaire with many choices and opportunities in life. He's not wasting that time reading and considering the views of Barry from Hetton who works at Nissan.
 
Blimey lads. I go for a bit of golf and come back to this <laugh>. Honestly think there is a lot of anger and despair here, that isnt really warranted, not about Beale anyway.

I posted last night about his coaching record and experience. Real elite level stuff. Puts some of the experience of the so called young upcoming European coaches experience in the shade. I hear lads at Villa and Liverpool who saw him work and they say he is absolutely brilliant. So we have a head coach, whose reputation as a coach is unreal.

I think this country has been seduced by the prospect of young european coaches. It is the De Zerbi factor at the minute. I have been banging on for a while on here that a lot of it is emporers new clothes stuff. The young british coaches are every bit as qualified, imnovative, tactically aware etc. Dont let the narrative about the super powers folk like Still have kid you on would be my advice.

As for all the talk I read on here today about man management skills. I often here about bad man management, but nearly always from players who arent playing, dropped or want away. I never give any credit to fans of old clubs opinions - it is always the ones who like a whinge will whinge. I have a celtic supporting mate and he says rangers fans are all daft <laugh><laugh>. Seriously, what he does say is under Ange they were on a different level and Rangers squad was miles behind them, but he doesnt think Beale was the main reason. Imagine losing a league to Ange, who now seems to be showing his ability at Spurs, and that being seen as failure.

I honestly dont see any reason why this lad shouldnt do a better job than any of the ones folk were salivating over these last 2 weeks. The evidence isnt there. I fear a bit for him because fans didnt take to LJ because of how he spoke, and Beale will talk in similar ways. Hope folk can get beyond that and judge him on performances on the pitch.

Lastly, I have commented on KLD and Speakmans talk after Mowbray. In spite of all of my defence of Beale, I do not believe for one minute they would have had him on a shortlist of 2 or 3, when they decided Mowbray was to go. I suspect they have fallen for the foreign coaches are better story like so many. So this has the look of another poor effort somewhere in terms of head coach recruitment. I dont think it is knee jerk, but they seemingly havent been able to get who they would have targeted. KLD demands elite performance culture across the club. He might just get that with Beale, but I would be asking why we have twice now stumbled through a process after getting rid of a gaffer. Doesnt look very elite to me. I have voiced concern before about whether are attractive for coaches as we think we are. I have to say our record of firing coaches is awful, and not getting better. I honestly think some who might want think we arent to be trusted to keep our end of the bargain. Coaches want time, it isnt anymore like the old firefighter coaches, or those who buy their team, it is a longer process now. We dont allow time and it goes against us.

Now, onto letting Beale do his job. I reckon after a nights kip, a win tomorrow, we all might start to look forward to what might be, rather than what might have been. Haway the lads.

Agree. Let him have a go.

I also agree with the notion of the record we have here of giving managers a year or so not helping at all. Ive said this often in the past. How can it do any other than harm?

Whatever good reasons there have been for managers being replaced here, a coach has to look at his future. They will not be Sunderland supporters. They have been seeing, for a long time, through a few owners, managers getting about a year plus, and it will not help at all.

Coaches don't get all that many chances when they are hot or warm property. It might explain, in part at least, why we don't employ in demand coaches. Or employed ones from a comparable level.
 
Stopped them from sacking mowbray in the summer so whos to say it wont influence them now
That may or may not be true m8, all we know is Mowbray was in charge at the start of the season and apparently we were interested in a foreign coach who went to nice
 
His record as a developmental coach is very good indeed and he could absolutely do Doddsy’s job.

My reasoning:

1) He’s always been interested in coaching

His playing career ended early at the age of 21. Instead of spending his savings on the usual things a 21 year old lad would, Beale decided to invest in the Brazilian Soccer Schools franchise, aiming to teach young British kids Futsal. Think five-a-side football, but played with a smaller, low-bounce ball to enhance close control and technical ability.

2) He spent 10 years coaching at Chelsea

Working with Jose Mourinho, Carlo Ancelotti and Guus Hiddink, he helped to develop Mason Mount, Callum Hudson-Odoi and Tammy Abraham.

3) Then he went to Liverpool where he really turned heads

Eighteen members of his squad made first-team debuts in the space of two years, including Trent Alexander-Arnold and Curtis Jones.

4) THEN… he moved to Brazil become assistant at São Paulo, he learned Portuguese especially for this. He developed his coaching further working with Rogerio Ceni and coached a young Eder Militao, who ended up joining Real Madrid for over £40m.

5) Gerrard poached him and gave him all coaching responsibilities

“What I'll never do is try to do someone else's job when they are better than me at doing it," Gerrard said on The Robbie Fowler Podcast

6) Another quote:

“A lot of people won't have a clue what Michael Beale does on the training pitch, but what he does is really quite special," said Peter Lovenkrands

7) My opinion.

He’s a fantastic coach with an impressive record in youth development. The only blot on his record is that he tried being a Head Coach with mixed results

That's good enough to satisfy my natural instinct to look on the positive side. Cheers.